Summary
Rep. LaMonica McIver (D-NJ) sparked controversy with a fiery speech outside the Treasury Department, declaring, “We are at war!” and calling for the Senate to be shut down in response to Elon Musk’s access to federal payment systems.
Her remarks, applauded by some Democrats, drew backlash from Republicans, including Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who likened them to “a call for insurrection.”
Is it really an insurrection if you’re trying to save a government from destruction by outsiders?
Depends on who you ask. If its someone sane then no, but if it’s someone who is working with the current administration then the answer is yes.
I am frankly terrified at this insinuation and I think we will see some serious repercussions from this, on one side or the other. This feels like it will be used as an excuse by the Republicans to detain or even murder opposition.
This feels like it will be used as an excuse by the Republicans to detain or even murder opposition.
They’re going to do that anyway, with or without an excuse. Trump has openly talked about it.
Apparently there are protests planned at every US state capitol building today.
I really hope you are wrong.
I’d love to be wrong.
I can’t see any other purpose to purging the FBI of non-loyalists.
This feels like it will be used as an excuse by the Republicans to detain or even murder opposition.
It doesn’t matter what the excuse is, it’s always been their end game. The time to organize is now.
This feels like it will be used as an excuse by the Republicans to detain or even murder opposition.
That’s exactly why an insurrection is needed.
This feels like it will be used as an excuse by the Republicans to detain or even murder opposition.
The state has done that long before Trump… The US routinely arrests the opposition voices, on thin pretenses.
But I am talking about sitting elected officials. Something that hasn’t been done in the US aside from the odd assassination. But I could 100% see them being like “well this is an insurrection and we can kill people for doing that” to every Dem or person that opposed them.
Not arresting sitting elected reps is what got us here, as they believe, and we’ve proven, they are not bound by laws.
Bit of a difference between arresting someone for breaking the law and arresting someone for their beliefs.
We had congressmen and senators in contempt. They could have been put into congress jail by the man at arms but no request was ever made.
My point still stands. We don’t nor ever have arrested sitting elected reps. And that got us where we are now.
The Republicans thought the same thing, to be fair. The difference is that we can be 100% confident that they’re pumped full of the most insane propaganda and are astoundingly stupid to believe that their team isn’t the most wild, overt version of everything they claim is evil.
Obviously it is. But not all insurrections are wrong.
Committing an insurrection because you lost an election is far less laudable than committing insurrection against an increasingly fascist dictatorship.
That depends on whether or not you win: history is written by the victors.
Stern words from a single person are an insurrection?
Insurrection when you’re just mad you lost an election: 😁
Insurrection when your government is doing blatantly illegal things and the branch of government and party to which you belong refuses to hold anyone accountable because you’re all complicit traitors: 😡
Left wing still doesn’t know how to respond to the instigators…
You don’t say “but you did it for invalid reasons”.
You say stuff like
“CANCEL CULTURE!! I’m being CANCELLED!”
“DONT MESS WITH MY RIGHTS UNLESS YOU WANT TO FIND OUT!”
“Snowflakes can’t handle the TRUTH”
Etc.
100%. These are bullies. You need to roll in the mud with them.
After seeing how a lotnof our dem reps are acting, its no wonder they are being stramrolled. We need fighters
R is the false equivalence party, no doubt.
Yeah, and…?
The key point here is that an insurrection against fascism is justified, while an insurrection in favor of it is not.
Liberty and tyranny are not fucking morally equivalent!
I agree, we need insurrection.
A call for insurrection? Like when she put pipe bombs all over the capital?
More energy like this from the democrats please. I yearn for these crocodile tears. I would like to wish Marjorie a very merry BAAAWWWWWWWW
Seems the only people offended are the Nazis. So, good for McIVer.
Republicans have been saying they were at war for the past decade+ But I suppose it’s “controversial” now since a Dem has said it.
We are already at “war”. A strange feature of modern (idealism) warfare is to keep your opponents from realizing while you advance your armies.
Yeah, restoring the Constitution is now insurrection.
Just like voting for Trump was to help the Palestinians.
While I’ll grant Trailer Trash Barbie knows a thing or two about insurrection, bitch don’t know a goddamn thing about patriotism.
Unfortunately, that is what we are left with. All the other means of change have been and continue to be disabled and otherwise shutdown
At what point to left-leaning states governors start building up their own militias?
I’m asking this as a Canadian, I honestly don’t know what the process is vis a vis state militia vs federal military.
Up until recently I felt like at a certain point, there were lines that the military would not cross regarding Trump orders. But now I’m kind of terrified that they really haven’t pushed back at all, meaning if it comes down to it, it’s all going to up to the individual states.
I’ve already written my governer to ask to be on a mailing list for any state sponsored militias. I also said that he should very seriously entertain the notion of filing charges against Trump, Musk, Vance, and all of their cabinet and appointees and court nominations for Treason. Treason can be filed at both the state and federal level, and there have been a number of successful convictions of treason at the state level.
More importantly, it saddles trump and his cronies with charges that will make it justified for both state and federal militias to remove them from power by any means necessary. At that point just deputize members of your state militia, and they will have to take an oath to protect the nation from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC. They now have legal protections backed by the charges filed by the state. Now you fund those militia’s and give them military kit, and refuse to cooperate with federal officials until a new election has been held and trump has been removed from power.
This is a fucking war, and the victors will write the history of it. The most important part is that facism and all of its supporters lose, and suffer the full consequences for their actions.
It doesn’t matter what you do to republicans now, just do it swiftly and severly, and the next president can pardon you and tie up the loop holes.
The same tactics that facists are using to destroy the country CAN also be used to save it. We just have to act with strength and conviction.
State militias already exist, we call them “National Guard”
Well not exactly. The Executive branch is the top authority for the National Guard. If Trump wants to send the California National Guard to the Texas border with Mexico he can.
The closest analogue to a militia would be the California Highway Patrol. Trump can’t command them to do shit about fuck. However they’re not really on par as far as logistics and material. Considering they don’t have an airforce, or any appreciable armor assets.
I didn’t know that. You sure are a correct horse battery staple, thanks
I couldn’t justify putting correct in my username on Lemmy. But I loved the reference too much not to use it, so here I am, a less secure truncated version of a better password.
That’s fair enough, it would seem like hubris to the uninitiated. Don’t tell the feds but that’s my SSD encryption phrase lmfao
😂
I mean it’s on Lemmy and defederated so they know… There’s no deleting anything from here. Act accordingly
Technically yes. But if the Governor refuses things get interesting. And in a National Guard unit they’re far more likely to side with the Governor than the President.
Yep it would be another constitutional crisis
Which nobody would even be contemplating without the first constitutional crisis going on.
It’s crisis all the way down
Yup
The Republican party has long referred to the events of January 6th as “legitimate political discourse”, and Trump even went so far as to pardon those who stormed the capital on January 6th.
Well, if it’s legitimate political discourse, there shouldn’t be any problem in us doing it either.
“Democrat lunatics want us all dead, and have declared war on all of us. Protect your family accordingly,” wanted the American Firearms Association on Facebook.
Holly shit, are these people shameless.
