Fun fact: nearly 40% of all foodborne illnesses were caused by raw milk consumption. Pasteurization has reduced that number down to less than 1%, except in places where raw milk consumption is still allowed.
Been only buying organic milk for 10+ years now out of preference, it stays fresh for much longer than normal milk. This is because USDA Organic milk is ultra-pasteurized in almost the same way as shelf-stable milk.
I searched and found this article and they reported that there’s virtually no difference in nutrients between the options:
https://www.100daysofrealfood.com/is-ultra-pasteurized-milk-bad/
So if all the nutrients are the same, the only difference in less pasteurization is more bacteria. Fuck that!
I think it definitely affects the taste though doesn’t it? I prefer the organic ones that are vat pasteurized due to that reason, ultra feels sweeter to me.
It pretty much always tastes like good fresh milk to me
Legal in the UK, fucking read a book.
Under certain conditions, and it still poses a risk as the proper labeling of it suggests.
The NLH has some literature on the unnecessary amount of people that are made sick, and some that have died as a result of consuming raw milk.
If you want to believe it’s harmless, and consume it despite warnings, you are free to do so. But I can’t in good conscience allow you to misinform people without due diligence. Now everyone can weigh the risks after having been given both sides of the argument.
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Raw milk is not safe by any standard. Removed for misinformation.
What’s the point though. I don’t eat raw meat or raw eggs so why would I eat raw milk. If it contains protein and fat then my nutritional needs are satisfied - simple as that really
Legal vs. Illegal is not the same as Safe vs. Unsafe.
Let them. Darwin wins.
Unfortunately it’s not that simple. Avian flu and other viruses can potentially spread from cows to humans, where it’s more likely to mutate and spread. It’s never the risk-accepters that suffer most. It’s always the sick, the poor, the very young and the very old, and the healthcare workers who suffer. The people who refused to get vaccines or take even basic precautions with COVID killed a lot of people, while the vast majority of those assholes survived.
Avian flu and other viruses can potentially spread from cows to humans, where it’s more likely to mutate and spread.
Every single person that contracts the HPAI H5N1 virus is a few billion chances for the virus to mutate and generate a strain that is able to spread from person to person. These people are throwing dice over and over and when they come up snake eyes, we are all going to lose.
But then the fault is obviously DEI, because it made the birds gay or something…
A coworker of mine (African American) lost three cousins to COVID. Minorities are less likely to have good healthcare or the resources to pay out of pocket when necessary. I’m mostly on team Darwin too but I agree it’s not just the idiots that will get hurt. The way things are going schools might even start teaching that raw milk isn’t that harmful.
And when more parents start giving their kids raw milk, what then?
Forcing kids to eat dangerous food is child abuse.
If they die they die. It’s a risk I’m willing to take
Except they’re also giving it to their kids, who are far more susceptible to the diseases
I said what I said
Ok, so they get to watch their kids die at their own hands, and then head off to jail. Problem seems to be fixing itself.
I don’t give a fuck about their kids.
Not all kids grown in a Republican household turn out to be Republicans.
Especially the ones raised on raw milk.
And without vaccinations.
Like me!
Same.
No one is worried they are gonna turn out republican. This next generation is going to turn out nazi.
Yeah but they might
And not all the Jews that died in the Holocaust were good people. What’s your point?
Kids are innocent, regardless of how shitty the parents are.
And the jews that also happened to be pedophiles deserved to be punished.
Right, but what does that have to do with children drinking milk?
At least this time the disease will stay confined to the stupid.
Isn’t it contagious
Tuberculosis is also carried in unpastuerised milk. The US currently has the largest outbreak in its history.
Bird flu? Human-to-human either isn’t happening, or is extremely rare, can’t remember.
For now. If it mutates to become more contagious without becoming less deadly, that becomes an everyone problem
Stupidity? Based on the election result, I would say yes.
Can anyone explain to me why conservatives love raw milk so much? Is it like more profitable or something? Why the hell does this keep coming up?
Science-denying anti-intellectualism mixed with “you can’t tell me what to do!”
Exactly. And we should exploit that by telling them it’s not safe to consume Arsenic or lick a lead bar multiple times a day, every day. They’ll be like, “oh yeah! watch me lib tard!”. And the population will shrink. :)
How about a glass of Hemlock juice? All those intellectuals and “city doctors” will try to get you away from that stuff, so it must be good!
Hey, it turns out that lead acetate is a natural, calorie-free, sweetener! In fact, the ancient Romans used it. The FDA doesn’t want you to use this because they’re in bed with Big Sugar and the Splenda people.
They’re like toddlers. You tell them they shouldn’t and they will do everything in their power to do it anyways. They don’t believe in science so everything is a “radical far left jewish space laser” conspiracy to take away their freedumbs.
As far as I can tell: It’s partially the same shit as the anti vaccine mixed with being angry about government regulations.
A lot of the anecdotes I’ve heard about raw.milk being safe, are from small farms with few dairy cows.
My upper middle class family in Houston drinks it all the time. Yes they’re all die hard conservatives.
In addition to what everyone else has said, I think it’s also from ideas of “return to tradition” and a veneration of a kind of rural lifestyle that largely doesn’t exist anymore. My extended family are farmers and even they got out of livestock when I was really young because there’s not enough profit except at obscene scale. But milk fresh from the cow was a thing I grew up hearing about from cousins, it was apparently viewed as safe enough for the older kids as long as you cleaned the teat and it was really really fresh. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the conditions in factory farms added another layer of risk that just wasn’t there in the 90s on the last remaining family farms.
Edit: also some of them are operating under the mistaken idea that raw milk is healthier or more nutritious (it’s not), or that or tastes better (actually possible, I actually heard it tasted slightly better as a kid).
Return to tradition is not the whole story.
For conservatives, power is wielded or power is seceded. In a government that you don’t trust, that’s forcing you to drink pasteurized milk, the idea of raw milk is kind of that “the government is hiding something from us” and not “the government is protecting us”. While there is some overlap between “the government can’t be trusted with milk” with “the government can be trusted with immigrants”, for the most part they aren’t necessarily the same people but they are cut from the same cloth.
They don’t want the government to control them. The government controls other people.
It’s why people like RFK are so dangerous because he now has the power to remove many of the safety nets we have grown accustomed to. Instead of Trump’s first term where COVID was downplayed, we won’t even test for avian flu. We won’t even research cures.
Not only that, given the sheer kowtowing media outlets are doing we likely will have challenges reading outbreaks in other countries.
This is not an exaggeration. We are in fascism today.
When consuming raw milk directly from your own cow its a lot safer than anything related to shipping, holding and selling it. Raw milk always contains bacteria and other microbes. These take time to grow so drinking it immediately doesn’t give them time to grow. But any amount of time between that allows them to go crazy. So it can be safe to drink raw milk in the old method where it came directly from your own cow with no time between. Its anything with scale that causes all the issues.
as long as you cleaned the teat and it was really really fresh. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the conditions in factory farms added another layer of risk that just wasn’t there in the 90s on the last remaining family farms.
I think you’re hit the nail on the head. There’s a concept in engineering (Hyrum’s Law) that where systems interface with each other (e.g. software), the design of one will ultimately rely on every aspect of the other, intentional or otherwise. In the case of industrially produced milk, pasteurization permits a relatively high degree of filth on the supply side when compared to practices in the EU or UK (they ship more raw product). So, it stands to reason that this isn’t just likely but exactly what’s going on since everyone can get away with it.
My mother’s been on the “natural health” train for a while now and claims that pasteurizing milk removes most of the nutrients (verifiably false). No amount of my protesting or pointing her towards sources for the contrary have convinced her to stop consuming that garbage.
It’s anti vax and anti regulation so basically a maga wet dream. Squeeze cow, milk, ta da. In reality to the other 3/4 of humanity it’s a microbial breeding ground for unfiltered mutations and diseases because you’re just trusting the entire food chain leading up to the cow has been healthy and unmutated.
Pasteurized milk goes through a process where you filter out unwanted microbes or unsafe mutations before bottling the milk. It’s like boiling water before drinking vs drinking from a puddle.
Pasteurized milk goes through a process where you filter out unwanted microbes or unsafe mutations before bottling the milk
Not filtering. You heat the milk. And it’ll do nothing to “mutations.” It suppresses bacteria and at least some viruses. If you double-pasteurize, it’ll also suppress bacterial spores.
If no one else has mentioned it, there are also those idiotic fascists (but I repeat myself) that were/are big on guzzling milk to show how “superior” they are because lactose intolerance is fairly common, but even more common among non-whites.
Extra Nazi points if it’s raw milk, maybe?
Damn Empire milk-drinkers. A True Nord is raised on mead straight from their momma’s teat.
The only half reasonable argument I’ve seen is that requiring pasteurisation (supposedly) makes it difficult for small dairy farms that want to sell direct to consumer, and forces them to sell to large milk companies for a far lower price. I have no idea how valid that argument is.
I don’t think so. I remember that we bought milk directly from the farm as a kid (Germany, so experiences may vary), but it always got collected in a big container that automatically pasteurized it during storage. Every farm had those, so they couldn’t have been that expensive.
Brawndo hasn’t been invented yet.
Regression. World is scary. Milk brought safety during infancy and the limbic system remembers.
Crying and shitting themselves not good enough?
The conscription of the granola moms.
I think it’s just that it’s a regulation, and regulation bad. I don’t want the gunment telling me I can’t drink raw milk. No, fools, the government doesn’t want people selling raw milk.
A lot of the US understands capitalism as purchasing choices at the store. Therefore if I can buy more stuff at the store I’m more free. Regulation bad.
This is handy for actual capitalist that want to abuse their workers and their customers by selling poison or watered down milk with plaster of Paris for color and liquified calf brains for texture miles from cows that are fed sawdust and literally dying. 👈 Why we regular milk now because this is all literally what was occuring.
I think it’s one of the easiest ways they can “stick it to the man”.
Let them get their raw milk then?
I think that’s their point. Just let them be adults and decide. I think overall it’s a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else. What I don’t understand is why the Democrats or people on the left haven’t seen this stuff for what it is. Also there’s no counter to this strategy. It’s like a weird game theory situation where one group is knows game theory and the other side knows how to play checkers
I think overall it’s a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else.
That much is true. Its a proxy for industry de-regulation.
I’m all for people getting the raw milk they demand, because I hope it will lead to a quick demise.
The non raw milk people should market their milk on the carton with
Death and Disease Free
Regulators Say It’s Dangerous.
Not for long, they won’t, because they won’t be allowed to.
Because they won’t exist.
Why do these fucking morons always want the objectively worst thing? The absolute dumbest thing you can think of and they’re all for it. Why is the world like this now? I can’t fucking stand it. “Let’s get rid of the FDA and OSHA!” Like, what the fuck is this horse shit. This shouldn’t be allowed to happen! I’m legitimately losing my sanity more and more each day.
it’s because the government wants to fuck of us over duuude !! everything they say we should do opposite!! the government is a giant monolith and every human that works for them magically agrees to the same ideologies which force us to drink raw milk!! because they agreed pasteurized milk is good therefore it is bad !!
that’s really all they think
Because they know what milk is supposed to taste like. You clearly don’t.
You can go ahead and say “we.” You’re clearly one of them.
stop. don’t. come back…
help… police… murder
because charlie, they are all a bunch of nitwits
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98% certain this is Poe’s Law in action, but the ideas are stupid enough to merit removal.
Insert Gene Wilder pic here.
Yes, Poe’s law. I was trying to toe the line on satire and actual things I’ve actually heard conservatives say. Thanks for doing good work and keeping that junk to a minimum, even if my satire gets caught in the crossfire.
Sorry but how the fuck are insurance companies OK with this? They hold extreme amounts of power over the US. They are going to have to do ridiculous amounts of payouts for hospital bills.
How the fuck are people’s life saving surgeries getting denied at pre-approval, but they are not denying people’s coverage for fucking drinking raw milk??
Same as every other money minded entity, if they speak out they’ll be shouted down or destroyed. Ethics don’t matter, number go up.
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Let them drink that stuff by the gallons. It helps raising the average IQ.
I get it, but this is really going to disproportionately hurt kids. Maybe their parents are on board with this, maybe they’re just uninformed.
Unfortunately they are buying it for their kids too.
They are going to harm their own children, too, which is the real tragedy here.
Conservatives Embrace Raw Milk
Not seeing the problem, here.
Regulators Say It’s Dangerous
…And? We need a little chlorine in our gene pool. If the dumbest and most ignorant segment of America wants to kill themselves, it’s an adult making an adult’s decision. It can only improve society if they do.
My only objection kicks in when kids end up in the cross hairs of that stupidity and ignorance.
Controversial, but the kids have to die for the idiot adults to learn their lesson.
It’s a tragedy because they have little to no agency. But these morons, like those who refuse vaccines, need to watch their kids suffer and die to feel the consequences for themselves to understand why safety regulations are written in blood.
I guess there’s 1 upside to the potential loss of school lunches?
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This will almost certainly cause a rise in neonatal Listeria cases from maternal transmission…which even if the child survives, can leave them with lifelong disability and functional dependency. Through no fault of their own…just their parents.
Welp time to switch to 100% oat milk
Oat milk is great imo. Planet Oat extra creamy is the best available where I’m at.
Depending on your patience, you can make your own for super cheap. It’s roughly 100g oats to 1000g water, with 20-50g neutral oil, and a tiny bit of guar and xanthan gums. Blend the oats and water for a minute, strain, then add the gums and oil and blend again. Sweeten to taste. Maybe ten minutes max.
If you can get it easily, adding amylase enzymes (blend of alpha, beta and gamma works best) after blending, warming to around 140, let sit for 30 minutes and then raise to 180 for 5 will increase the sweetness and keep it from getting gloopy. You can get them pretty cheap from a brewing supply store. It’s how they make commercial oat milk, and it’s how they can say “no added sugar” and still have it be sweet.
What does neutral oil mean? Just any vegetable oil like olive oil or canola oil etc?
An oil without a flavor. Olive oil is an example of a not neutral oil since it imparts a flavor to the dish.
Corn, vegetable, soybean, canola and peanut are good examples. No one would drizzle a little corn oil on a plate to dip bread in. :)
They also can tolerate higher temperatures, so you can use them in cooking a bit easier.
One that doesn’t have a strong taste, canola yes, olive no.
Yeah see this is the thing.
Looking at the ingredients of oat milk it’s often as little as 2% oats.
That checks out looking at these ingredients… 4/5ths of the oats are strained out.
That means it’s really oily unsugary water with a whiff of oat.
What is even the point of that.
Also, fun fact… the xanthan gum seems to kill the creme on a nice cup of black coffee. So a dish of oat milk in your long black is… undesirable.
The “point” is that it’s a tasty beverage.
Why on earth would you measure the quality of a beverage by how diluted the solids are, or how much filler gets strained out?“Milk is just watered down cheese! It’s 87% water! What’s the point of it?”
Coffee hardly has any coffee in it, you throw away most of the bean.
Don’t even get me started on broth.The fat content is equal to or lower than the fat content of typical dairy based creamers, which is also where the sugar content comes from. A mild quantity of fat is required for the creamer to have a good mouth feel and have a degree of “coating” effect. The gums help keep the fat in suspension since I lack a homogenizer like they use on milk, as well as increasing the viscosity in a way that’s imparted by protein in milk.
If you want to you can just eat the result without filtering. It’s called oatmeal. It’s still watered down though, so I might recommend toasting them and having a nice dry oat bar to go with your puck of dehydrated milk.
In general, I’d recommend against putting any sort of creamer in your black coffee. It tends to make it no longer black coffee.
I don’t personally find issue with any of the emulsifies doing anything to coffee I don’t like, but if you’re exploring there are plenty of others. I’ve had good luck with konjac in a blend with guar, xanthan, and methylcellulose, but two of those are less likely to be in the baking aisle at the store. The more you use the smaller the proportional quantity you need, since they have a synergistic effect. Less than a gram total combined weight of the four previous ones makes a consistency like heavy cream. Great for ice cream base.Your comment is great, equally snarky and informative. I appreciate it and got a couple giggles out of it, too!
Thanks for taking the time for both of your comments. I’ve saved them for the future as I can no longer drink dairy and not a fan of how much sugar some of the commercial oat milks have
No problem! I’ve been lactose intolerant for a while but over the past several years it’s gotten a bit more … Dramatic. The lactose free ice cream always seems to have a funny taste to me, but I tried a oat milk ice cream and was really surprised how creamy it was.
I have an ice cream maker so I started doing some science at making my own. There are worse hobbies, since even the failures are almost always edible. (I did make one with the “fun” property of being nearly identical in texture at every temperature. Scooping some into a hot pan and having it crisp but remain soft is… Unnerving)If you make some, feel free to let me know how it goes! I’d be happy to give pointers to push it in a direction you prefer, or just have another data point for what works. :)
Horchata, aka chilled rice drink, is only like less than 1% rice! It’s mostly water and sugar, with some spices!
What’s the POINT?!?!
Spoiler: horchata is delicious, and basically the same thing as oatmilk, when you get down to it.
