Insane take. Leftism is the side of the working class in the class war. The propaganda is that the opposite is true.
Most of the right of the political spectrum is basically distraction issues with the ultimate goal of upholding heirarchies.
Sounds like something an upper-class leftist would say.
An upper-class rightist would claim they were on the side of farmers, and rugged individualists, putting them ostensibly on the side of people who work for a living, while the left is more concerned with organization.
There is a lot of truth to the meme. In recent history, only one person has united the working class across the political spectrum.
New York and the Federal Government are trying to execute him.
I hear what you’re saying, but an upper-class leftist is really just a right-wing neoliberal (perhaps socially left, but still pro capital/ pro worker exploitation). Leftism doesn’t exist in the US outside of Bernie Sanders and maybe AOC.
I’m not sure we know enough about Luigi’s politics to call him leftist. Didn’t he praise silicon valley execs? Sure, he may have united leftists (anti capitalists) and the working class. But the working class, itself, is right wing in the US. They don’t have class consciousness. There are hints that it remains, like how many Trumpies also voted for AOC, or how many like Bernie. But if they’re voting along party lines, they often do so against their own interests.
An upper class rightist might claim they’re on the side of workers, but they do so while reaching into their pockets and stealing a chunk of the value that they create. Then they reassure those same workers that wealth will somehow trickle down to them.
Edit: There is only really truth to this meme if you treat “left vs right” in the American sense of the words, or just replace them with “democrats vs republicans” or “liberals vs conservatives,” none of which are actually leftists in the classical sense.
An upper-class rightist would claim
I am asking you to look past vapid “claims” and look at both means and ends of the ideologies themselves. Anyone can just lie lmao
I’m paid a tiny fraction of the value of my labour just like everyone else, don’t try to make this a purity test.
You’re talking about Luigi I take it? He did good but he’s hardly a leader, but hopefully his example inspires more direct action.
Every down vote you’ve received is from someone who keeps us from building the guillotines.
This guy gets it.
Left, Left, Left, Right, Oh Left Right…
Suckers. You’re both steps to kill anyone that ain’t them.
No one wants to admit they are part of the problem. The more they contribute to the problem, the stronger their resistance.
The right/conservative ideology IS the propaganda used to prevent the uprising lol.
Yeah, they’re not trying to foster left vs right, they’re trying to foster all right-wing with in-group fighting.
Already have.
The term Left was literally invented to mean the French Revolutionaries, the people who used the guillotines!
The term Left was literally invented to mean the French Revolutionaries,
When was it co-opted?
How do you unite with a group of people who want to deny other groups of people basic human rights?
Everyone that you fight is not your enemy and everyone who helps you is not your friend.
Mike Tyson
Sometimes I put on a ski mask and dress in old clothes, go out on the streets and beg for quarters
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I bet you guys think I’m gonna talk to you about getting back up after getting knocked down in life. But I’m not. I’m gonna talk to you about hats. Not those square hats like the one you guys are wearing, which, by the way, I can’t believe you’re all wearing the same hat. That is tripping me out, man. Does everybody here wear the same hat in Miami? It’s like a square hat with a string note . I never, ever in my life seen a hat like that. Are you all wearing the same clothes too? Is this some kind of religious school? What the fuck is going on here?
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Because the other groups were radicalized to blame their problems on minorities. The root cause remains inequality.
If someone is radicalized to become a nazi, they are still a nazi.
Seriously… We’re all exposed to propaganda, the difference is we see some Faux News Nazi propagandist and say “gross…” while they see the same thing and nod their heads in agreement.
You fight right-wing populism with left-wing populism. Improve the populations material needs by correctly addressing the systemic issues instead of scapegoating minorities.
If we’ve devolved to populists on either side trading blows and undoing everything the other team did every 4-8 years by executive orders and authoritarian actions, our country is totally cooked. Might as well pack it up and go home. The US is finished.
Why are you ‘both sides’-ing populism?
Populism is popular because it recognizes the material harms people are experiencing, that means high rent, high cost of living, low wages, bad healthcare, bad public infrastructure, ect.
Right-wing populism exploits that sentiment by scapegoating minorities. Immigrants, LGBT, minorities. It blames them for the problems people are facing to justify fascist policies such as mass deportation, the removal of human rights, and crackdowns on dissent.
Left-wing populism correct identifies the root causes of the material harms and addresses them directly. That means policies for public housing, public infrastructure, universal healthcare, trust busting, high taxes on the wealthy, environmental regulations, even UBI.
Populism exists because the status quo causes harm to the population. There is no choice but to address that harm. If the root causes are not addressed with left-wing populism, right-wing populism will take advantage of the situation to accelerate into Fascism. That’s where we are now in America, fascist. Without any left-wing opposition (and I mean leftist, not liberal), Fascism will continue to grow in it’s violence in both domestic and foreign policy.
Why are you ‘both sides’-ing populism?
Because they’re still mad that their team lost and they’re too blinded by their hatred of the out-group to see any possibility of revolution or unity beyond the electoralism that has once again failed them for glaringly obvious reasons, which they refuse to recognize, because it’s easier to blame scapegoats; sexists, racists, minorities that don’t vote the way they’re supposed to, people who are just too stupid for their own good; than to admit they or their party should have done anything differently and simply isn’t up to the task of defending against fascism. They aren’t interested in “root causes”, or material reality, or even their own party’s rhetorical strategy; only the letter next to the names of their politicians.
In other words, they have fallen into exactly the same patterns as the enemy they so vehemently oppose. Scratch a liberal.
Yeah, the Democratic Party, a liberal institution, is not practicing any left-wing populism. That’s the whole problem. Bernie was the closest, AOC and The Squad show promise. The DNC is only interested in keeping the large donors that fund both parties happy. Pressure from grassroots organizations and opposition are our best bet imo
Talk to them like their real people when the chance arises. Don’t feed into the propaganda their fed about us and don’t consume the propaganda we’re fed about them.
Democrats vs Republicans would be more accurate imo. OP, it sounds like you’re not using left and right in the classical politcal sense, but in the way these terms are thrown around nowadays, especially in the US – leftism being neoliberalism, and the right being…whatever it is now. Neo-conservativism? Both are right wing ideologies.
quick wikipedia snippet
In modern politics, the term Left typically applies to ideologies and movements to the left of classical liberalism, supporting some degree of democracy in the economic sphere. Today, ideologies such as social liberalism and social democracy are considered to be centre-left, while the Left is typically reserved for movements more critical of capitalism,[9] including the labour movement, socialism, anarchism, communism, Marxism, and syndicalism, each of which rose to prominence in the 19th and 20th centuries.
the right being…whatever it is now. Neo-conservativism?
Neo-reaction
I don’t need to change the mind of someone so willfully ignorant of history.
Of course you do. If every leftist converts one person to leftism…
That’s the spirit
I’m sorry, but right-wing is more than just voting to keep traditions. It’s a restrictive, anti-rights deathcult in every way. It’s really hard to see the upsides if you squint.
There’s a term for people who want to support the working class against the ruling class and it’s “the left.”
How does one discuss this with their “friends” who are terminally on X, think RFK jr and Carlson have “a lot of good ideas”, and unironically calls anything regarding equality woke? I’m at a loss. And no I don’t think the solution is “stop talking to them”, that doesn’t help us.
You mean right vs further right? Liberal vs Fascist? Bc those are two sides of the same coin
socialist agitprop has nothing to do with the distraction of the “culture war”
Hard agree. Is this even a “lefty” meme?
doesn’t seem like one to me tbh
Well, it’s your comm, innit? :P
The idea of “middle class” is more relevant imo. There are only the rich parasites and the working class.
And the working class trying to be rich parasites. Anyone can trade shares now. Anyone with a pension is heavily invested.
“Heavily invested”. The 1% own the majority of stocks. The top 10% own 93% of the stock market.
I mean that they’re heavily invested in the system because they’ve got something to lose. As in, they don’t want the system to end even though they’re suffering because they might lose their chance to retire and their accumulated wealth.
The right works for the upper class, disguised as worker class
Yeah, lowering taxes for the rich and increasing taxes for the rich are really just two sides of the same coin! Privatisation? Nationalization? Potato potahto! Dumbest shit I’ve heard all night, and I listen to myself when I talk.
Thank you!
Yeah. No. I didn’t read a goddamn thing about a guillotine in your post. Sucker.
I think this is about the left-right parties you know right lowers taxes for the rich and the left keeps taxes exactly the same. Also known as the right and slightly less right but still solidly right.
What left party
The one that is one step left of the right party.
Imagine a line. And place 2 or more dots on it at least 80% to the right. The left dot, that one.
Being less right isn’t left
Never said it was.
Look my comments are half pessimism, half what most people and the media say the left/right spectrum is.
Democrats are right-wing, btw. Bernie or AOC are only adjacent to the party.
Bernie and AOC are centrists, they think labor and capital can be compromised. In my opinion I want all of my labor value and I want all of my freedoms, in addition I do not wish to compromise with tyrants. Centrists like them are ok in awful systems such as liberal democracy but under a workers democracy they would be laughed away.
Sure, you can make demands out of them and they will defend unions and the right to strike.
Isn’t the error of this obvious based on the last three months versus the last four years?
Working class left and right likely do have way more in common than they realize, but the difference is not inconsequential for working class.
