It is very easy to feel like it’s never going to happen.

One of the biggest reasons FDR implemented the New Deal, was because there were groups advocating for communism and socialism in the US and it was not a far fetched prospect.

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-communist-party-in-the-30s-the-depression-and-the-great-upsurge/

https://jacobin.com/2019/10/highlander-folk-school-socialist-party-new-deal

The more we organize and unionize, the more it’s possible!

In the US the discontentment towards the status quo is certainly there, the organization and educational awareness isn’t.

The imperial core countries will be the last to have a revolutionion.

I believe we’re building towards a revolution, but whether it is successful or not remains to be seen.

Despite what you might see from weird guys on the Internet, grassroots-level Socialist politics are as active in America as they’ve been since the Red Scare. Big Things are Happening. In parts of the country where 20 years ago there were just Anarchists doing drugs in bars and 5 radlibs attending City councils, there are explicitly Marxist political parties with dozens of members organizing protests and events that draw hundreds of attendees. Every year interest and applications grow exponentially.

They say we’re supposed to have Revolutionary Optimism, but personally, I don’t really care one way or another if we win - I’m just mad, I have nothing to lose, and I want to fight.

I hope so. Natives, LGBTQ, BIPOC, will unite against White Supremacy. AfD, Reform, GOP, Conservatives of Canada will fail fast.

I don’t think civilization has hundreds of years left. Between climate change and nuclear proliferation, if we don’t destroy capitalism soon it is going to destroy us. It’s do or die.

The only thing that’s set in stone is the past and that’s only because it has already happened. Predictions can be useful if applied alongside action (ex: “the weather prediction says it will rain on Thursday, so I will go the baseball game on Tuesday instead”). Without the action, they mean little. Things can reach a tipping point in one area or another, unforeseen crises can arise, and throughout it all, there are multiple factions vying for power, whether for selfish reasons, such as fascism, or humanitarian ones, such as anti-imperialism, decolonization, and liberation of the working class. Aid in the humanitarian struggle where you can; that’s where dire predictions are transformed into optimistic ones.

How should someone give an answer, what will happen in the next 60 years? Who could tell in 1925 what would happen till 1985? There was a time where it was thought that the socialist revolution would happen in Germany or Great Britain. Or how Lenin thought it will be carried out by the younger generation in the future. Things happened in another way. With such a big dynamic in the world, who can tell if a revolution will happen in the next 60 years somewhere in the global north.

I can definitely tell it won’t happen in the next 60 seconds or 60 minutes after I submit this comment.

Well i dont know of any vanguard parties in any global north nations that are even a little bit successful. Their economies will have to collapse first then we will see how long it takes for some to start forming. Kinda depends if once China becomes the dominant world power they start really pushing for the world revolution. Apparently they plan to by 2050 so maybe with their support youd see some serious parties start to form. I think a lot of global north nations just wont exist anymore. Most of them have a lot of internal divisions. Theyll probably break up. Not all but some will.

I feel like there’s no theory behind what kind of revolution can take place in the global north, at least none that I’m aware of. We’re still going off of past revolutions which happened in times where the societies were much different and the technological level was alot lower. Curious what others think could be a possible avenue for revolution.

My thoughts are that the consciousness of people are not at the level where a true proletarian revolution can take place (at least in my country in the global north). This is mainly due to neoliberal brainwashing and the fact that people don’t view China as socialist. Im seeing more pull towards neoliberalism as the material conditions degrade, partly because people don’t realize there is any other option. They all think it’s a tradeoff between having a good economy and letting everyone have their basic needs met.

Can’t say no without being called a doomer; can’t say yes without being a utopian.

Under current conditions, there is no evidence of an organized proletarian movement in the global north capable of seizing and holding a city council. Conditions could obviously change rapidly in unpredictable ways, but it seems unlikely that anything approaching “revolution” is possible within the near future in the global north without a dramatic shift in material conditions like widespread economic or climate collapse that weakens the imperial state and proletarianizes the imperial labor aristocracy. Every currently existing “communist“ party that I know of in the global north with significant numbers (lol) is generally still deeply chauvinistic and ideologically opposed to any revolutionary action that involves violence (lol). If we’re saying that revolution is possible in the near term, but acknowledging that it would require fundamentally different material conditions that we can’t predict leading to the formation of new parties and movements that don’t currently exist, then it seems premature to speculate about what specifically that’s going to look like or when it’s going to happen.

I truly do not think Americans will ever revolt in a way that overthrows capitalism. They will just descend into barbarism. The way I see it going is not much different than Nazi Germany but far less competently and they won’t have to hide the atrocities. This is the way I personally see it.

The descent into fascism kicks up. The “conservatives” salivate and scream in joy as minorities of all walks get put into camps. Liberals feign outrage but also they laugh and scream at stories of “this Latino voted for Trump, now she’s sad because she being raped to death in a camp.” This shits all over reddit.

Mixed into the fold will be true left leaning people and LGBTQ+. Only the liberals will change their tune. They will say “guess you should have voted for Biden harder. You deserve death for not supporting the blue genocider fascist.” While still laughing at the " leopards are my face" meme subreddit.

This part I assume is a definite. The next bit is some unknowns but I feel most just turns into absolute barbarism.

If the US collapses from within, I’ll be just fascist infighting and devil e to barbarism. The American populace is simply too far gone, too propagandized and stupid, to do a socialism. It’ll be every man for themselves. They will rip themselves apart because the only people that hates Americans more that people outside America, are other Americans. We HATE each other. They will never work together for a common good. The ones that would will be long dead in a mass grave. Those that are left will be the ones that cheered it on.

If, on the other hand, the US goes to war, and the world fights back, nukes will probably fly. So it’ll probably be the end of human civilization. If by some miracle it’s not, I think the US will lose a major confrontation. This is actually the only hope of socialism taking hold, assuming China takes a major part in control of the broken nation. If they don’t and leave us to our own devices… It’ll just be more barbarism.

There other options I can imagine besides these but realistically, I do not see many options that involve the US populace itself, implementing a better system.

Sorry if this seems doomer, it I truly, truly do not believe the American populace will ever overthrow the current system with the intent of implementing a better one. Hate, bigotry, individualism, etc, is engrained into our existence.

They might fail or be aborted, but I actually think we might see something happen in the next 20 years tops for at least some global north countries. Living conditions are worsening quickly with no relief in sight, and unless the ruling classes manage to find some pressure valve I think it’s gonna blow up soon.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more “riots” and maybe a much larger scale CHAZ-like occupation in the US or more militant Gilets Jaunes protests in France, among other things. Sadly I don’t foresee a Marxist-Leninist revolution any time soon for most of these countries (Greece maybe?), but then again nobody in 1902 expected 1905, and few people even in February 1917 expected October 1917.

The west will in the near term likely descend into barbarism, open reaction, what fascism was in the 20th century Europe. (That or it’ll pull off some sort of miraculous crushing of the global south and buying capitalism breathing room for another 40 years)

So I think we could see a revolution the next 20 years, I just don’t think it’ll be a socialist one.

I also don’t discount the real possibility that the bourgeoisie in the west try to take their ball and go home, try and do dark enlightenment, neo-feudalism, and just build a high fence around it. What that actually ends up looking like in practice I wouldn’t know but I think it’s truly possible they find a way to keep the situation miserable but stable for another hundred years with the current power structure mostly the same. Climate change is certainly set to come in on the side of the US. Technology like AI and more specifically robotics dangles the promise of automation that’s good enough to serve as a control mechanism on the population, total information control, total surveillance, etc from which the ultimate breaking free would likely only come about from the decay of such systems out of neglect and greed.

I certainly HOPE there is a revolution, a Marxist one in the global north in the next 60 years. I’d like to see that before I die, I’d like for it to come sooner than that as in 60 years I have a pretty good chance of being dead of natural causes.

But we must remember how hard it is to predict history. Asked 100 years ago socialists in our place would have said Germany or Britain, etc would probably experience a revolution in their lifetime and they were wrong. Lenin thought he’d never live to see the revolution and he was wrong about that. We must however take from the past century how adaptable capitalism is. They have our playbook, they have experience correcting for, adjusting to many of their problems that give rise to revolutionary potential and they have a century of anti-communism propaganda messaging as well as 30 years of end of history messaging.

It seems unknowable, too many variables. It really hinges on can China become a communist super-power, avoid being crushed by the west, avoid being nuked by the west, avoid being strangled and can it exert power including trade and friendship better than the west can extend neo-colonialism, color revolutions, fomented extremism and terrorism/separatism to the rest of the world? If it can, if the west’s grasp on the rest of the world slips then short of the west deciding to use nuclear weapons and destroy human civilization then sooner or later I think we’ll have won. I think we’ll know the results of this within 10 years by 2035 we’ll see the fruits of the west’s plans or China’s plans.

The west is trying delaying actions because climate change is coming in on their side so that’s a big unknown, that could really hit China hard regardless of all their efforts and become a real drain while the US is almost certain to weather that new reality among the best of all nations.

60 years from now is 2085. That’s loads of time. 60 years ago was 1965, and look how much has happened between then and now.

Multiply that by the number of states in the Global North, all of them on their own path. That’s a huge possibility space.