Lol. Normally Elon just posts cringe that isnt funny in any way. But this is hilarious. “I love your transphobia, but have you tried thinking about literally anything else?” Like he wants her to start posting great replacement shit
man i love this comment i wish lemmy had awards
Awards are just bespoke emoji. You can still react to a comment with a picture or emoji if you want.
IMO your comment, actually expressing explicit and specific approval, is worth more than, like… a picture of a little whale with money coming out of its blowhole, or whatever.
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But it doesn’t make your comment glow/move around/whatever the fuck awards did
“X isn’t just for Transphobia, it’s also for racism”
Biologist here. The main problem with this argument is that Rowling is trying to win her argument through scientizing, and is not only doing it in an inept way, but in a way that’s completely ironic.
She’s invoking biology, but infortunately she’s adopting an approach that incorporates a high school level of biology. When we start teaching science, we start with highly simplified presentations of the major topics, then build both in breadth and depth from there. If you really want to get down the rabbit hole of sex determination (and multiple definitions of genetic and phenotypical “sex”), you really need to get into molecular biology, genetics, and developmental biology. She’s been advised of this multiple times by multiple experts, so at this point it’s willful ignorance.
The painfully ironic part is that she’s relying on an area where she has no expertise in order to make her point, while ignoring the fact that, as a world-known literary figure, she should know that the applicable part of the definition of “woman” is linguistic and semiotic - which is to say it’s cultural. The definition of “woman” was different in the 1940s South, among the 17th century pilgrims, the Algonquin tribes, cultures throughout sub-equatorial Africa, and so on.
The definition of “woman” was different in the 1940s South, among the 17th century pilgrims, the Algonquin tribes, cultures throughout sub-equatorial Africa, and so on.
Can you give an example? Not trying to be a bigot, just curious.
here’s one example for you (click here) exploring igbo gender norms
here’s a second report that’s worth reading too (click here)
i don’t have much knowledge about the other cultures suggested, others can provide info for those
Sorry if this question seems stupid, but you seem to really know what you’re talking about.
My understanding is that the main issues TERFs have is protecting women’s spaces, and that by having a vague or arbitrary definition of womanhood it erodes those spaces.
I personally would like to see a society that’s far less focused on gender and minimises that kind of segregation outside of medical necessity. But I know that’s quite extreme and I don’t have a “perfect” solution, assuming we’re going to keep things like women’s only gyms, domestic violence shelters, and professional sports.
Judging based on “passing” is clearly transphobic and ignores any kind of intersex/non-binary presentation. As well as some masculine featured afab women somehow failing. And basing on biology is clearly flawed. So if it’s not too much trouble what would your suggestion be?
Jesus, it’s way more dehumanizing to be thought of only in relation to checks notes Large Gametes than it is to simply accept that people of the same gender can be born with different bits.
It’s even worse than that. Individuals are a vessel for those gametes, not the gametes themselves. I’m sorry, but sperm aren’t fucking people Robert Rowling. You aren’t your cum or your period. Inhaling pollen during spring isn’t killing trees.
Joanne Galbraith’s conservative gender ideology values genes and bloodlines more than people. Living a good life doesn’t matter, only reproducing like e coli.
Phobes want the world to make sense because they think it’ll fill the emptiness in their soul. It’ll never work. The void can’t be filled that way.
Who are the people you’re talking about?
Joanne Rowling has released books under the name Robert Galbraith, and the poster above has mixed up the names for humourous effect.
Also Robert Galbraith Heath was a psychiatrist who was a big proponent of conversion therapy for queer people. Probably nothing to do with why Rowling chose that name…
I always thought it was a way to stay relevant, cause she cant think of any more film franchises to copy, but clearly its been an issue for a while.
AKA women who no longer produce large gametes are no longer women.
As a 58 year old, JK Rowling is, by her own definition, very unlikely to be a woman any longer.
That’s why she’s so mad all the time!
I mean at least read what she said. “Belongs to the sex class” doesn’t mean you’re a man at menopause.
She forgot to define “sex class”, which could be all sorts of things. She did that because either she doesn’t know shit about classes, or because she wants to just say “women are women goddamnit” without actually saying it.
A sex class is defined by the material conditions of the exploitation of labor it’s members experience while producing their respective gametes. Obviously.
Read the whole thing.
I did. She doesn’t define “sex class” anywhere.
And of course she doesn’t, because she can’t. She has a middle-school grasp of the subject, and she’s trying to define “woman” as “woman” by using the weasel word “class”.
I believe a woman is a human being who belongs to the sex class that produces large gametes. It’s irrelevant whether or not her gametes have ever been fertilised, whether or not she’s carried a baby to term, irrelevant if she was born with a rare difference of sexual development that makes neither of the above possible, or if she’s aged beyond being able to produce viable eggs. She is a woman and just as much a woman as the others.
I can only deduce that “sex class” is some kind of group where you produce large gametes, but it doesn’t matter if they’re viable.
I don’t have ovaries, but I had them at some point in my life. I can only surmise I’m not in the “sex class” woman according to Rowling, since I don’t produce large gametes, viable or not.
irrelevant if she was born with a rare difference of sexual development that makes neither of the above possible,
Sounds like being born with a condition that makes your bits not develop the same as your brain would qualify?
Yeah, except I’m pretty sure she disagrees. Weird, it’s almost as if any rational definition actually is actually automatically inclusive, except when you jump through a million hoops to make it less so.
Of course she’ll disagree.
What’s a sex class? How is it defined? Does it include age groups? How about hermaphrodites?
I mean you could just read what she said. Do hermaphrodite produce large gametes? Idk, probably not. Go look it up.
Yeah see the thing is she didn’t say anything like that. She just assumes everyone knows what a “sex class” is to avoid having to define it herself.
It’s literally in the posted picture. Read it again.
Show me where she says what those words mean.
Are you some sort of idiot needs a definition of each word used? That’s what dictionaries are for. Anyways she defines what she meant in the complete sentence. Arguing with me about whether or not she’s right is pointless, I didn’t make the statement, merely pointed out she did define it.
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It’s case by case, the category of intersex sometimes called hermaphroditism (though many dislike the term) is usually accompanied with sterility though. It’s also very rare as far as intersex conditions go
What’s a sex class?
There’s an in-depth documentary about this on pornhub, featuring acclaimed scholar Lisa Ann.
It involves stuff like if you’re a magical or a martial I assume
Of which the “class” of women after menopause would not be women then.
We haven’t yet got a definition of a man though, so presumably most older ‘women’ are non-binary in their world
Conservatives learn about set theory, transphobes in shambles.
“belongs to the sex class”… The heck. Such a meaningless circular definition just to provide a veneer of justification for her transphobia.
So as a likley post menopausal human. JK Rowling no longer belongs to the ‘sex class woman’ and likely has no ‘sex class’.
Given she spends like 80% of her free time talking shit about a marginalized minority, she also has no class in general
Fuck that’s a great burn.
Nice
“But I could in the past” or “I was meant to” or some other contrived bullshit that gets the end result she wants.
Also:
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What the hell is this website lmao. It’s awesome.
It used to be owned by The Onion, but it’s since become its own thing. But it’s basically if The Onion was clickbait/buzzfeed.
Just because people are famous doesn’t mean their opinions are valid.
How large do gametes have to be to be considered large?
I mean human gametes aren’t very large compared to chicken gametes.
BEHOLD! ROWLING’S WOMEN! Throws chicken
Are you a woman?? SHOW ME THE GAMETES!
Probably larger than pollen
I am not sure that just because someone produces sperm vs eggs delineates them as male vs female. You could produce sperm but have endocrinological phenotypes (driven by genes) affect your physiology, so it wouldn’t make sense to keep insisting that one is male then.
Also, how does this definition take into account intersex people who produce both types of eggs? They’re a man? Or woman? What subcriteria would you use to define them, and then why wouldn’t you use that same subcriteria on single-cell producers?
At a socio-political and cultural level, it seems useless to worry about how someone’s sex is defined. There’s no purpose served other than to create a class of people who can conveniently be othered and used as a means to distract from people who are truly damaging to society—the greedy and resource hoarders.
At a fundamental level her argument appears to be “I define biological sex and gender as the same thing, no other definition may exist”.
I am saying that sex is not necessarily binary either.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to take away from your point at all, you’re very much undermining her entire argument.
No apologies needed, I was just clarifying what I meant ^^
and she’s using only one characteristic that can be used to determine sex when it doesnt even work alone (other characteristics have to be met, and even if most of them are met, theres probably still exceptions cause biology is fun like that)
Cissexism often relies on denying the realities of intersex bodies. Or underplaying how common they are.
The reality is biological sex is clustered bimodal traits.
A real feminist would have realized, he’d never say that to a man.
Nah he just calls them pedos when they irritate enough
She’s so transparently working backwards from her original knee jerk judgement on her views on gender. I’ve never understood why people feel the need to die on this hill, change is scary sure, but it’s not THAT big a deal is it?
It’s hard and it hurts. Self improvement, especially when you’ve been publicly vocal, requires humbling yourself. It involves accepting shame. And it sounds like in her case it involves reprocessing some trauma. I know who I choose to be, but on a much lesser scale I’ve met plenty like her. Folks who make the choice not to reevaluate their beliefs
the title confuses me. umm… don’t you think Elon would find most of us insufferable?
I doubt he even thinks of us at all.
hence the keyword “would”
I doubt he even would think of us at all.
Of all hills to die on that ruin your reputation and legacy, why this one? I just don’t get it.
I am a gen x cis heterosexual white male.
Transexuality is strange and foreign to me. I don’t understand it. This gives me exactly zero right to take any stand against it. I’d say it gives me less right to express an opinion as how could I be knowledgeable on something I’ve just admitted I don’t understand?
Let people live and go enjoy your billions.
Mostly attention issues. She had her big hit, was very famous then that started to fade so tried a dozen different things to stay in the lienlight from bad sequels to bad prequels to publishing bad stories under a fake name, but none if it got her enough attention. So she did what basically every other washed up celebrity does and just be controversial to get attention.
And also I think part of it is that rich, steisght white women, are very privileged but being a woman gives them 1 point in the oppression Olympics so they think their opinions on these issues matters more. Which is why almost all the most outspoken term are middle class strisght white women.
