I’m new to this idea and a Google girl so I’m interested in learning more. I’m not good with tech, but if it’s necessary I’ll do it as much as I can.

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    If Google randomly decides to terminate my account for some reason and won’t tell me why or allow me to reasonably appeal, I’m screwed.

    GDrive, my YouTube, my play store purchases, my Gmail going back since forever, and even all these 3rd party sites where I used “login with Google” could be instantly toasted and irrecoverable.

    I became aware that this is way way too much exposure to one company and every component is linked together so if, hypothetically, I left a comment on YouTube that triggered some angsty AI ban algorithm, which led to the whole account getting zapped, I would be one sad puppy.

    Better to selfhost, encrypt all, and be in control of my own destiny.

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    didn’t see anyone touching on the most important part, and that is the decisions regarding our data we make now are coming to bite us in the ass five or ten years from now. our chicken brains can’t comprehend that, not really. we need a direct feedback loop: hot stove, finger, ouch - no more touching.

    up until a decade or two ago, we didn’t have the concept of forever in our lives. do stupid shit in school, in uni they don’t know about it. fail at one job, the next one doesn’t know about it. say something stupid in front of a love interest, the next one’s blissfully unaware. in our current paradigm, all of them transgressions are with you, forever.

    any and all corporations even adjacent to the advertising/harvesting/mining industries have lost the benefit of doubt, forever. our interaction with them is and should be adversarial from the get go. they should never be in the position to retain any meaningful data points and polluting their ingestion avenues and obscuring activity is mandatory.

    edit: the AI example is touching on it.

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    My motivations are not specific to google.

    I don’t want a large part of my life and thoughts to be linked to my identity, queryable in someone else’s database.

    I grew up in DDR and know that a large fraction of people gain pleasure by having control over others. That data is an important avenue for that.

    You can already see that governments all over the EU are trying to gain control over it. (To keep the children safe ofcourse).

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          Thanks so much! How many people actually believed in it? How prevalent was the blackmarket? And how safe did people feel?

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            How prevalent was the blackmarket?

            Officially, everyone with the same job description had the same wages. This resulted in everyone becoming a slacker. So what eventually developed as a public secret, was that factories tolerated “theft” by the good employees.

            So the person working in the canning factory brought home tins of food every month, which they would sell and/or trade. The boss could claim, and the books would show, that everyone has the same wages.

            This is not limited to labour. Public administrators, for example, would be tolerated to put some people ahead of others for housing/holliday/etc, and they would ask for a fee.

            It was a large, well known taboo that everyone, even party members participated in.

            How many people actually believed in it? And how safe did people feel?

            I can’t speak for the early days. By the time I was born everyone I knew recognized it for what it was: the state as a weaponized tool to steal from and hurt others. An in-group of people decided how much equality and solidarity you deserve. You scratch their back, they grant you their leftovers.

            Lots of the stasi files on people were shredded, and are intentionally slow being reconstructed, as they hope most people will be dead before they can read their own file. But estimates are that around 1-in-3 people were informants for the stasi. These are often neighbours, aunts, coworkers, …

            It was dog-eat-dog, and outside a small bubble you never fully trusted someone. Even then, no guarantees, as the schooling system (tried to) radicalize children into informing about their parents.

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    To me it’s about how invasive and all-encompassing Google tries to be, while giving little to no respect to our privacy.

    I never explicitly and clearly agreed for a random company to follow me everywhere on the Internet, track me on millions of sites even outside Google itself, and be as reckless with the data as a kid, selling it left and right to whoever might concern. Neither do I think regular people would give such consent if consequences would be clearly explained, and not buried deep into ToS.

    No, I do not have much to hide. But even if you don’t do anything bad, you don’t want a random stranger to constantly look into your windows when you’re at home, do you? It’s creepy at least. For me, Google is that stranger. And Meta. And Microsoft. And Apple etc.

    So, making as little room for them in my life as humanly possible is my goal.

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    My data is my data. Period. Or at least it should be.
    Abuse of position as dominant provider of search engine (incl. censorship) and mobile OS.
    Labour Practice.
    e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google

    Similiar reasons apply to Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, PayPal, X and so on since well before Trump & Co.
    e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech

    Appologies for my aggressive tone. I really hate these companies / their owners and what they are doing to our society, wellbeing, and humanness. It could have turned out so much different, if not for their greed and egoism!

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    Im a private person. I dont feel comfortable people knowing what i did, where i went etc. That applies to big tech as well. I dont have social media and never will.

    Plus, i hate ads.

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      I dont have social media

      Except for lemmy, I guess

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        Is lemmy considered as social media? I always though its a content aggregator. I dont even add friends or follow people here. Can we even do that? I just comment on people post every now and then. Never even post anything here. I dont see anything social aspect in here. Its all bot, you could be a bot for all i know. Im here for memes and self depreciation

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    privacy and political reasons: google has been firing employees that support palestine for fucks sake

    source: The Verge

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    In addition to the privacy aspect, i wanted to reduce my dependency on outside/external factors as much as possible. I try to self-host and use FOSS where possible. Where not feasible, I try to diversify companies so I’m not overly reliant on one. That way, I can pivot much quicker if a company goes to shit.

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    @CheeseToastie
    Mainly political. While privacy and security are a concern, I’m more focused on stop using products by big corporations, in particularly those with ties to fascist parties and government agencies and I’m very wary of those who try to sell their products as “private and secure FOSS alternatives” while holding similar fascistic ideas.

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        @CheeseToastie
        MAGA/The GOP. Google financed Trump’s campaign (just like meta, amazon and all that crap).
        Ideologically they’re pretty close and the latest changes have been in agreement to Trump’s policies.

        There’s the golf if America thing, the fact that they have been eliminating the posibility to report bigotry in Youtube.

        It’s now that they work for/with three letter agencies, which isn’t only a “privacy concern” in the individualistic sense, but also a democracy concern, as these agencies spy and kill activists, orchestrate, train and backup dictatorships, interviene in elections, and more.

        There was an issue here a decade ago of so of google prioritising right wing media, even if it it wasn’t known at all or if it was known to push fake news.

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    There’s the privacy and constant tracking part of it, but it is also about not being hostage of the company. What if Drive is suddenly a payed-only service OR they lock me out of my account? I can recover faster and cheaper from a failing HDD in my NAS than I ever could from a locked (or deleted) Google account.

    I’ve seen / was burned too many times by free software and services that suddenly disappeared of became overpriced and I don’t want to be on that position again. Google is well known for killing stuff as well.

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    I started degoogling because of Google’s more and more transparent business plan of data surveillance. I’m not comfortable with “paying with my information” because of the uncountable (and frankly unimaginable) ways that information can be applied by third parties without my knowledge.

    “AI” is one example which wasn’t even on the chart when I started degoogling, but we can all be certain that Google and partners use any language sample available on Gmail and G drive to train theirs. This is the company that casually registered private WiFi networks in the course of mapping their Maps street view. They’ll harvest everything they can.

    At heart, I don’t trust corporate mega-monopolies to take care of our best interests as online citizens, and as a European I’m super sceptical of becoming subject to less safe legislation (US, Chinese or whatever) that doesn’t offer me protections that I have or expect at home.

    By not using Google (or Meta, or Amazon, or X) I can deliberately pick and choose individual services — or host them for myself — rather than hedge everything on the benevolence of one corporation that doesn’t give a shit about their users.

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      Because fuck Google and all these companies that profit on our personal data. They claim it is so they can better serve us but we are the slaves. Soon there will be matrix style jobs where yhe working class can trade their life to power the next gen AI for the elite class that the wealth gap has cultivated. They make things easy but it is time to do things the hard way. Digital revultion is upon us. Help those less capable to move off of the prying eyes of FAANG

      (half extreme mode)

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      Thanks mate that’s thorough but easy to digest. God knows what emerging tech there is as well, they’ll be testing it on us

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    Nothing is free. If you don’t pay for the product, you are the product.

    Privacy (different from anonymity) has become more and more important to me, and Google had access to nearly every part of my life in one way or another. I’ve cut out Musk, Zuck and Bezos, and I’m now nearly completely Google free as well.

    I’ve often heard “why do I care if Google reads my emails? I’ve got nothing to hide”. 2 great answers:

    1. Unlock your phone and give it to me for an hour. Just because you have nothing to hide doesn’t mean you don’t want privacy. Google does exactly that.

    2. Speaking of privacy, why bother closing the stall door in a public washroom? You’re not doing anything wrong in there.

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      Ugh, “I’ve got nothing to hide” 🙄

      My answer has been for a long time, “then take a stroll down main street naked, and tell your deepest secrets to strangers”. Of course you have something to hide, otherwise you’re a soulless shell of a person.

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      I’ve got nothing to hide

      is a false dychotomy. you’re not hiding, you’re deciding what to share and that’s a huge difference.

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    I’m trying to generally distance myself from all the VC sprouted billionaire former ‘startups’. They’re a disease. Those smug faces as they turn what they promised to be ‘good’ into a company that develops autonomous killing machines. All those smug bastards at the inauguration, happily paying the deposit to cash in on fascism. Unfortunately Google out of all of them has the deepest claws in me I think, android phone (Apple is in the same club/cartel imo so not much help), gmail, etc.