tl;dr: Folks want to use ancestry to see where and how it goes. What do they need to know? Is there anything to avoid?

I’m not wild on the idea of submitting DNA swabs for a lot of reasons, the recent issues with genealogy.com’s data being a great example. What of tracing family tree by liniage?

  1. The free trial STATTS with ‘sign in using the following services’ I haven’t gone past that point because I don’t want to hand anything over til they show me where they want payment information, because free trials are seldom free and.

  2. The payment page for full signups constnatly ‘reassure’ that you don’t have to do anything each month it auto renews. my family’s gotten burned on auto renewals before where the other end basically refused to stop taking money out in spite of trying to end services.

  3. Anyone know about the library edition how to find out what libraries have access to that and what’s needed to sign in that way?

    • nieminen@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      18
      ·
      15 hours ago

      Thanks for this. As an exmo, this sort of post legitimately warms my heart. Spread their culty dirty laundry far and wide.

  • Captain Janeway@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    33
    ·
    edit-2
    17 hours ago

    Personally, it’s not worth it. Giving up your DNA can be used against you. People can perform “social proof” phishing attacks on you by claiming sibling relationships. In the USA, law enforcement can use ancestry.com data to aid them in an investigation. So, if you leave some DNA at a crime scene (guilty or not) you might get caught up in the investigation.

    You can also get caught up in the information breaches that seem inevitable with these things.

    Plus: Ancestry.com is not necessarily as accurate as it is purportedly advertised. DNA doesn’t have magic labels that tell us what it represents or where it came from. The only way to associate certain aspects of DNA with a particular gene, region, etc. is by comparing it to large sample sizes of people that exhibit the features you’re seeking out. So, basically lets say you want to know if you come from Scotland. The way they would accomplish that is they would collect DNA from tons of people who - at least anecdotally - claim they are from Scotland. They then use that as a baseline for “Scottish DNA”. When you submit your DNA sample, they look for markers that are unique to those people who claimed they were from Scotland. The less DNA they have from a particular race/region, the less accurate they can be. I’m not saying Ancestry.com is lying. Their methodology makes sense and across broad strokes will give you a reasonably accurate genealogy. They are also capable of validating siblings/cousins thanks to DNA matching. But it’s only as good as the data they have. The more data they have, the more accurate it will be. But that’s probably not public information and would be impossible to tell without access to their PII data. They might have 0% of data from people in Kazakhstan or Laos or Papua New Guinea. So, it’s possible you have ancestry in places they currently can’t know about.

    It’s just not worth it because it opens you up to a lot of risk and the reward is dubious information about your family history. They might know where you’re from, but they can’t give you a 100% ancestral lineage. You might discover lost siblings, cousins, etc. but it’s not really that uncommon (so who cares?)

    Lastly, the cost is just silly. They make you pay so they can have access to your most personal data? That’s wild to me. They should pay you.

    Just my 2 cents though.

  • Erasmus@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    17
    ·
    16 hours ago

    My father has been working on WikiTree for years now. He has traced one family branch back to the 1200s I want to say and he stays busy a few hours every day updating info he finds online about grave markers and historical family facts world wide.

    It’s not going to be as slick looking as Ancestry.com but it’s got all the same info if not more and you don’t need to give them a dime (or any DNA).

  • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    17
    ·
    edit-2
    17 hours ago

    Some thoughts, as someone who has used ancestry.com in the past:

    • Do NOT submit your DNA to them! If all your family wants is to trace your family back for several generations, in most cases you can do that with old-school research. Not providing DNA doesn’t usually prohibit that. And as others have said, these companies are not trustworthy when it comes to being keepers of genetic information.
    • You are right, the free trial on ancestry.com is a hook in to get your subscription, with the hope on their end that you will forget about it and and up paying for months on end while not using their services. It’s basically like a gym membership, but for history information.
    • That said, it’s not that difficult to cancel an ancestry.com subscription. They make you jump through several screens and try to persuade your to keep it going, but it’s not insurmountable, and I’ve cancelled and renewed and then cancelled my subscription with them a few times.
    • They do have an exceptional amount of genealogical information on hand, at least for Western researchers. I’ve found some surprising things about my ancestors on there that I couldn’t find elsewhere.
    • For libraries and subscription level, it depends on what your needs are. They bundle them into subscription packages. If you think your ancestors have been in America for several generations I would just go with the cheaper American subscription. If you have ancestors who came from Europe a few generations back then you might want to go with a broader subscription plan that covers European sources. If you want to trace ancestors back from Africa or Asia you are going to be SOL regardless, because genealogy sources from those areas are usually very bad.
    • One thing to note, in case this is a problem for you: ancestry.com at least used to be owned by or managed by the LDS church (the Mormons). And they have a pretty sordid history when it comes to the exploitation of women and girls, and (like quite a few other religions) have done and continue to do some very sketchy stuff in general.

    Hope this helps.

  • sbv@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    11
    ·
    17 hours ago

    It autorenews and it’s relatively expensive.

    I wouldn’t do that DNA test, because it’s really sensitive data.

    WikiTree is a free alternative to the genealogical database. The genealogy nerd in my life says that its data is a bit better. Ymmv.

  • MrQuallzin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    ·
    16 hours ago

    The LDS church is big into genealogy and has a competitor called FamilySearch. No submitting DNA or anything, it’s actual genealogical research. I believe it’s free as well (could be wrong)

  • General_Shenanigans@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    16 hours ago

    We found out I had an unknown half-brother because my grandpa decided to do one of these. My grandpa was trying to see how much of his Native American ancestry would come up. He is, supposedly, half Wyandot. It showed 0% Native American ancestry. Make of that what you will.

    And yes, they’ll absolutely end up selling your data at some point.

    • Komodo Rodeo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      15 hours ago

      Their cybersecurity is dogshit too. If the government can’t keep people from stealing your digital records, no fucking way that gimmeDNA.com is going to do a better job.

  • aramis87@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    16 hours ago

    I have a friend who has to keep going in there to re-correct bad data and bad relationships that people keep re-adding. They think they’re helping, but they’re not, they’re just contaminating the data and the site keeps letting them do so.

  • Xaphanos@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    13 hours ago

    I use it and like it. DNA and all. Yes it’s expensive. I generally pay for a month, then let it expire for a few months while I catch up, then renew as needed.

    It is the 900 pound gorilla of the hobby. If you want to get DNA matches, it’s the first choice by far. And it has enabled me to learn an enormous amount about my family - and my wife’s, and several friends who are interested.

    If genealogy is your thing, do it. If you only want to half-ass it, there are alternatives.

    • wjrii@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      6 hours ago

      Same. I was adopted as an infant, and I actually used all the DNA sites to triangulate my birth family (some nice folks, some asses). I did it over ten years ago, but it would have been a lot easier today. I think it hits a lot of people, especially on a platform like Lemmy, in their Sci-Fi dystopia feels in an inchoate kind of way that makes them recoil, and it’s not that there isn’t any potential for abuse, just that this is a genie that’s very much out of the bottle. Frankly, if anything truly awful is going to be done with autosomal DNA, the people who want to do it will simply mandate it.

      Records-wise, it’s a large universe and impressively interconnected. I’ve learned a lot about all of my families (birth, adopted, marriage), and I was able to track down the documentation necessary to support a successful application get an EU passport for my wife (her company paid for it once she told them it was plausible), and therefore our daughter. I gather that I’ll be eligible for one myself in the near future, as she was legally always a citizen, and therefore she will soon have been married for twenty years.

      If my paternal side were more forthcoming, I might have been able to work something out with them for a couple of other countries, as my great-grandfather was an illegal immigrant from Germany who jumped ship from a freighter in the 1920s and married a girl whose family fled the collapsing Austro-Hungarian Empire after WWI. Then their kid married a Canadian nurse who was actually born in the “Dominion of Newfoundland” before confederation. Somehow this ended up creating Floridians… 🤷

      Also, there’s a good chance your goony-ass yearbook photos are on Ancestry (among other places).

    • mysticpickle@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      12 hours ago

      Yikes, aren’t you afraid they’re going to pull a 23andme and sell all your DNA info to Saudi Arabia and God knows who else?

      • Xaphanos@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 hours ago

        No. Ancestry is the big fish. 23 tried to swim in deep water without a solid established cash flow.

        Also, how does someone having access to my (already public) tree matches do additional harm? My real name is globally unique. I’m Very easy to find and ID.