Have we really not grown out of this “console war” bullshit mentality?
People can compare products you know.
I agree, that’s why I choose the Steam Deck, not a console, it’s a linux computer in the form of a handheld.
Not a Nintendo fanboy. But their own IP games are truly fun. That alone is enough incentive to buy the switch
Yeah, this is the only reason I have a Switch. I’m a sucker for their first party games, and I will probably buy a Switch 2 for Mario Odyssey 2 alone.
To emulate* on my desktop 😌
This.
My wife wanted a switch for her birthday since my son is getting older and wants to spend more time playing games. So we waited on the Switch 2 Direct announcement and it was clearly just a cash grab. Even the hardware demo “game” is a digital purchase. The Chat button only works with a subscription. €90,- for a Mario Kart game and expensive upgrades for games you already own.
So Steamdeck it is, the OLED model is a bit pricey, but i’ve only been hearing good things. And it wil run emulators which is an added boon.
10 year old mario kart 8 is like 70 bucks or somethingwith dlc. They have lost their mind and people still pay for it.
Why would people want to buy fun games and support their development? Are they crazy?
Something interesting is that Steam users, (myself included) will ignore a game not on sale, I couldn’t tell you why. The only thing I can think of is that we are so used to things being “on sale” we forget that there was a reason it was priced at that amount in the first place.
$60
$70looks better than $60Factorio is an interesting example, its never on sale. It’s just the price. In fact it keeps going up in price.
I couldn’t tell you why.
Because steam always has a plethora of amazing games on sale. You could never buy a full price game and still never run out of awesome things to play. And even if there is a particular game you want, it’ll almost certainly be on sale within a few months. I’d have to double check, but I don’t think I’ve paid more than 40 bucks for any single game in years.
The Steam Deck can run Biebian and Hannah Montana Linux fairly easily. That’s not really a selling point just another thing Nintendo isn’t bringing to the table.
I impulse bought a deluxe Need for Speed game a few weeks ago for $6.50. I’ve already played it 65 hours. I don’t want to jump into the math of it but I reckon I would need to enjoy Mario Kart for much greater than 650 hours before I would get the same hours per dollar value NfS: Heat has brought me thanks to a Steam sale. And Mario Kart could never catch up in miles per hour.
Just a heads up you’ll get to learn how to navigate Linux if you change your mind on the starter car. The only way I could start a new save file was by manually deleting the old one in the file system. It was a little frustrating but served as a good reminder that it is a handheld computer not just an outlet for gaming.
The steam deck is awesome. I love my little handheld computer.
You could even buy something like an ROG Ally for a similar price and still get a bit more performance
The funny part is steam has the most exclusives of em all.
It also has integrated microphone and you can also talk to your friends while playing 🤣
Not allowing strangers to talk to my kid is absolutely a Switch selling point.
Sooo this is how I learn that my Steam Deck has a built in microphone.
I’m not very perceptive and thought the little notch at the top of the screen was nothing.
If you’re not being sarcastic, check out “Desk Job” on Steam. It’s a free small game which shows all SD functionality.
I’ve not tested it myself, but others have said it’s best to wear headphones otherwise there will be some echo for the voice chat.
And steam chat doesn’t require a subscription
Of course, and even if they do you could always switch to any other chat software because you’re literally playing on PC.
Proof (as if it was needed) that just running a reasonable storefront generates more than enough profit.
And gamecube games… and wii games and n64 games and ps2 games…
The pricing of this is really going to fuck them.
BotW should be like $10 by now. The fucking DLC for it still costs twice that.
Switch 2 is going to be a repeat of the Wii U disaster.
“No Timmy, I’m not paying 500 dollars for Mario Kart. Don’t you already have that game?”
I wish it wasn’t true, because the wii u had some great games and ideas, and the switch 2 definitely will as well.
But yeah, a HUGE portion of Nintendo’s sales come from being the budget, kid friendly option. When a parent sees a ps5, xbox and switch 2 all lined up for roughly the same price, Nintendo isn’t going to be the default choice it once was.
And it kinda sucks because all people do is hate on the switch for its lower performance. The only way to get better performance is to put more expensive parts in leading to a higher price. They can’t win in some ways.
what are you talking about botw is free now
Where?
🏴☠️
Yeah but then you have to muck around with emulation.
I mean you could always pirate on device, though easier said than done on Switch (but the Wii U is rather easy to mod, would 100% recommend)
Modding an unpatched V1 Switch is pretty easy, the most difficult part is there’s like 2 main guides and if you try to get support from one group and they get clue that you’ve looked at/used the other guide they’ll say your config is trash and a ban risk lol
GTA6: Hold my beer.
I’m really interested in the reaction now that Nintendo has popped the seal, because I think GTA6 even if it launches a buggy mess, ive seen people say they would pay $100 for it.
You can also install a Switch emulator and just keep it even if Nintendo cease&decists again.
Sadly the trend of $80 for a digital copy of games will be copied by every major AAA studio in the following years if Nintendo succeed. The switch 1 games are not pricer than others at launch, they just never for whatever fucking reason become cheaper.
And then AAA studios will see their games stay on digital shelves indefinitely and pirating skyrocket and they’ll learn that they’re not nintendo and trying to be will bankrupt them.
I don’t know what Nintendo was thinking by doing the Nintendo tax bullshit harder than ever during a time when Americans are facing such heavy financial burdens
These tariffs suck for sure, but America is not the center of the world : the pricing of these games is insane and looks like a poor marketing decision globally
I’m aware, but it’s worth noting since America is usually a big consumer country, and right now, we can’t onsume.
Most likely they came up with the plan while people thought Trump was not going to do the crazy stuff he kept talking about…
To still go through with it and have Doug Bowser give this “Do you guys not have phones?” level bullshit defense?
It seems these idiots do not have the emotional intelligence we try to enforce in toddlers to recognize when a mistake was done, make apologies and rectify… instead they quadruple down and keep pushing as if their idea is now even more genius than before.
This is how we end up with Trump literally destroying the US economy while people wonder “is it outrageous stupidity or intergalactic 17 dimensional chess?”
We have never (to my knowledge) lived in a real life, non analogy, of the Emperor has no clothes
The Switch has the Switch tax. The Switch 2 will have the Switch 2 TARIFF.
Ah yes, the Deck vs. Switch debate. One offers performance and affordability, the other offers nostalgia at premium prices. Choose your fighter: the powerhouse or the Pokémon tax.
Considering the Steam Deck can run just about every console game ever made up to PS2 gen (and a good amount made after), I’d say they have the Switch 2 beat on nostalgia.
I play Steel Panthers on my steam deck, a DOS game from the 90s
Yeah but not the memberberries kind!
Nintendo’s been hitting the memberberries for so long that 20 year old games have memberberry moments in them.
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Palworld for the win.
Haha right? Palworld really said ‘what if Pokémon had guns and capitalism’ and somehow made it work
Pokémon with black Jack and hookers.
And slavery.
And
colonialismbase building
You can emulate almost any Nintendo game from before 2016 on a steamdeck. Just got to wait a few more years for the switch emulators to get efficient enough to run well on the steam deck!
I know I’m not the standard pokemon fan, but showdown still exists if you just like to battle. The in-game gameplay of pokemon has always been a little lackluster to me and I don’t like VGC/doubles.
ROM hacks can be fun, and I have done some self imposed challenge runs. I can’t see myself finishing any of the Prof oak challenges I did without emu speedup.
I still have my GBC with pokemon yellow and a flash cart with (almost, missing the new ones) every GB and GBC rom in existence on it that supports save states, and can emulate many switch games on the deck iirc if I were somehow nostalgic for those, and in fact can emulate basically any nintendo game from history I may be nostalgic for better than the switch, among other games nintendo didn’t make.
Which one is the real nostalgia machine? (Hint: It’s the Gameboy Color lol)
“Powerhouse”
I love my Steam Deck but it doesn’t have Mario Kart or even anything like it
Isnt there an open source linux cart racer?
The nickolodeon cart racer is fun and I have heard one of the sonic cart racing game is real good.
Bro doesn’t know about dolphin
It does if you run Dolphin.
What if I want to play Mariokart World online with my friends?
Then you and your friends are accepting of the problem.
That’s still just Nintendo with extra steps.
Yeah but if the steps are piracy, then fine.
I have nothing against piracy. I’m just lazy.
Sure. But this is an argument for piracy far more than quality.
If you’ve got the money to burn and consider emulation a hassle, you’re still buying a new Switch (tariffs pending)
lol there are so many racing as well as cart games, and the fact you can run literally any Nintendo game on PC
None of them really compare, and I’m not really interested in setting up emulation.
you’ll pay the price, one way or the other
C’est la vie.
SuperTuxKart exists for a native Linux kart racer, and it’s FOSS on top of that. Oh, and since STK is FOSS, I can imagine there are some tracks as intricate as anything in modern MarioKart if not moreso, that the community around it made for it.
SuperTuxKart is a neat indie game, but I really would not compare it to Mario Kart or try to recommend it as a substitute.
Switch 2 proceeds to outsell the deck by a factor of 50
Steam is clearly playing the long game with Steam Deck and Steam OS, they’re basically trying to slowly normalize portable gaming pcs. If they achieve this Nintendo will not be just facing competition from Steam Deck but from multiple devices from the likes of Asus, Lenovo, Dell (Alienware).
Absolutely. Nintendo has huge fanbase with most of them not caring about Nintendo ripping them off and Nintendo has some of the most highly regarded and iconic gaming IPs in the world and Nintendo has insane marketing budget behind the Switch 2 and the switch doubles as a home console.
I love the Deck but it’s not going to outsell the Switch and I think Valve isn’t interested in pulling people away from the Switch. Valve made the Deck primarily for Steam users and that’s who they’re targeting.
Mario Kart on Steam? It’s more likely than you think.
“Add a Non-Steam Game to My Library…”
On the Steam Deck? Possible. On Steam? I guess technically possible if you add a third party game. But actually on Steam? Nintendo can’t even give a tech demo out for free, I can’t imagine what would have to happen for Nintendo to put their games on Steam.
You can also play Minecraft on the Steam Deck and technically you can also play Apex Legends on the Deck (if you install Windows and play through that), but all of it depends on the user being a tinkerer. But the casual gamer is not a tinkerer which means those possibilities have next to no impact on the wider market.
I have a feeling there will be an increase in tinkerers as the cost of staying casual continues to increase to unreasonable levels.
Even PS Portal sales is not that far from Deck. You know, the handheld that people said won’t sell
Haha. Not in the US, thank you Mr. Trump very much.
now we know why the crackdown on switch emulators.
Steam has this crazy concept where as a game gets older, you don’t have to pay as much for it as when it was new! Pretty wild, I know.
Sometimes you don’t even have to pay for games. 😇
Lemmy instance checks out
Hell yeah it does!
Innuendo aside, Steam has some awesome F2P titles
GOG is cheaper. Steam does have more franchise deals though.
GOG is also DRM-free and lets you download the game installer as a backup, even if they’ve been pushing hard for their GOG Galaxy clients as of lately.
Sadly GOG isn’t even close to as good as Steam for Linux support.
Indeed, it’s not their main goal either. Unfortunately tools like Lutris, while doing awesome work, are utterly overwhelmed by both the influx of people as well as the amount of games. And while most GOG games work with the auto-generated installers, many do not and require custom installers that are often unmaintained and quickly become outdated.
Gog stopped their own linux launcher and instead unofficially partnered up with heroic (heroic got their own affiliate link). Until now it works pretty well.
Gog stopped their own linux launcher and instead unofficially partnered
Stop spreading this nonsense.
Heroic added affiliated links to their software that anyone can apply for (without notifying the users at first).
I have been using the Heroic launcher a ton on my Steam Deck, it is great!
I am not sure if you replied to the wrong thread, good for you that it works for your needs, but
My point is that GOG did not drop Linux support and instead partnered with another company. Not about the quality of the software.
- Gog waning Linux support is completely unrelated to Heroic
- Gog did not seek partnership
- Heroic devs just applied to a program that anyone can apply to.
That said, it is shady to inject links and not notify it on the release note or change log. I think there was a message on their mastodon at some point, and the implementation crashed for some people with more restrictive firewall on their network, there were some discussions on the issues page of their code repository.
It’s not Valve that makes the decision, check how many times Factorio was on sale.
I respect their integrity.
Yep. In the case of Factorio, for now at least, it’s evergreen. It’s priced cheaper than it probably could be honestly and it’ll only get better. Likely anyone not interested with the current price tag isn’t interested at all. Not going on sale means you never feel the need to wait for a sale. You just buy it when you want to.
Even though I bought the expansion and haven’t even played a single second of it yet (factorio burn out is real). It’s still the cheapest game I’ve ever legally acquired in terms of £/s
I find it absolutely hillarious that you measure it per second lmao
You never played a free game even for a second?
I never agree with the $/time metric being used, but it is the easiest. I prefer (enjoyment/time)/$. If a game drags itself out just to keep me playing, I don’t value that.
With that said, Factorio is great for this too. Even with the current price (which is not the price I paid), it’s an amazing value. Once you consider the mods that are available, it’s easily worth the price.
Same thing with RimWorld. They only go down like 10% because they want players who want the game for what it is, not just a cheap bargain. I respect it. A lot of love put into that game.
I wonder when the next Rimworld expansion is coming, presumably not too far off by now? Curious to see what new warcrimes it adds.
My experience is that games on Steam are still far more expensive than their pendants for PS4 or similar on ebay (new).
I think it depends on the developer sometimes, for example when Microsoft announced they were going to delist Forza Horizon 4 (June of last year) they put it on sale multiple times at 80% until it was delisted on December 16
Escept for red dead redemption. RDR2 is actually cheaper for some reason
I can’t talk to my friends while I play my deck? News to me
Pretty sure you can.
I mean it’s a Linux computer. So you could prob just call your friends on discord.
Exactly
No, you’re not allowed. You need to pay special Talking To Friends license
