To be clear, I believe vegan/vegetarian is the morally correct position even though I do eat meat. My point is that if we worked together we could cause more good in the world than we do by fighting.
The vegan communities, in my experience, are pretty spiky. Even amongst vegans there’s a huge rift, like they’re competing on whose version is most ethical. It’s turned me off actually interacting with them as I find my own balance of reducing suffering into this world.
I think it’s a general issue of any community that’s organized around a belief and/or got ousted by society for too long I guess. Of course there’ll always be people who are like this from the beginning, perhaps due to trauma, bad upbringing, bad education or whatever.
Gotta imagine a militant vegan bible-belt Linux FOSS-Bro… oh my god…
Getting the average omnivore down to the recommended 6-8 ounces of meat per day would make a tremendous difference on its own. I really didn’t know how much excess protein I was consuming until I made some vegan and vegetarian friends.
Woah 200g of meat a day is well sufficient… That is basically my max amount since I pretty much only have meat at dinner and that’s more than a chicken breast which is the most amount of meat I’d consume at one time. I do consume quite a bit of dairy though (used to be cheese, but now for dieting reasons it’s quark yogurts, milk, etc) and a few eggs, need that protein.
But the rest is all legumes, veggies, nuts, cereals, good carbs, etc. I’d struggle to eat more meat than that even when I didn’t give a shit about my diet I think, but now that I do I also cut out all the non lean stuff so that does play a role.
The replacemets yes. But vegetarian food is so much more than just replacing meat. It’s cooking completely different meals that taste great without anything meat related. And that absolutely is cheaper that eating meat.
There are valid reasons for veganism, but it’s folderol to claim it’s absolutely cheaper. For one example, sardines are fished sustainably and are very low in mercury, both because they’re basically ocean mice. They’re also all but impossible to nutritionally outperform for the price.
Obviously there are exceptions. But in general a vegetarion meal is cheaper in comparison to a meal with beef or something like that. That is true for most meats. So for an “average” meat eater it is cheaper.
I love me some vegetarian and vegan meals that aren’t pretending to be meat. They are their own thing and are fantastic. Heck, making a bean and meat chili with more beans and skipping the meat can be just as good. A lot of Mexican food is or can easily be made vegetarian by just leaving out the mean or switching for beans.
I also love meat! But I do need to eat it less often.
It’s weird that I don’t even know if the meat or the vegan hardcores are downvoting me. This place realy has develloped a few hardcore communities that don’t care for stuff like “logic” or “having a real discussion”
Depends on where you live, but sometimes tofu and tvp can be pretty cheap, plus there’s always lentils in a pinch that’s possibly some of the cheapest proteins in any given store.
To be clear, I believe vegan/vegetarian is the morally correct position even though I do eat meat. My point is that if we worked together we could cause more good in the world than we do by fighting.
The vegan communities, in my experience, are pretty spiky. Even amongst vegans there’s a huge rift, like they’re competing on whose version is most ethical. It’s turned me off actually interacting with them as I find my own balance of reducing suffering into this world.
I think it’s a general issue of any community that’s organized around a belief and/or got ousted by society for too long I guess. Of course there’ll always be people who are like this from the beginning, perhaps due to trauma, bad upbringing, bad education or whatever.
Gotta imagine a militant vegan bible-belt Linux FOSS-Bro… oh my god…
I agree. It’s just a shame that people would rather sabotage than build a movement by attacking everyone on both the inside and outside of the fence.
Getting the average omnivore down to the recommended 6-8 ounces of meat per day would make a tremendous difference on its own. I really didn’t know how much excess protein I was consuming until I made some vegan and vegetarian friends.
Woah 200g of meat a day is well sufficient… That is basically my max amount since I pretty much only have meat at dinner and that’s more than a chicken breast which is the most amount of meat I’d consume at one time. I do consume quite a bit of dairy though (used to be cheese, but now for dieting reasons it’s quark yogurts, milk, etc) and a few eggs, need that protein.
But the rest is all legumes, veggies, nuts, cereals, good carbs, etc. I’d struggle to eat more meat than that even when I didn’t give a shit about my diet I think, but now that I do I also cut out all the non lean stuff so that does play a role.
Isn’t the recommended amount a lot lower than 6-8 ounces? It’s like 500g or 5 ounces per week.
“Our adversaries are the people on the other side of the aisle. Our enemies are right here”
Same. People literally can not comprehend that I accept whole heartedly that I believe many of the things that I do and continue to do to be immoral.
Yeah, maybe I love meat too much and I’m too weak. That has absolutely nothing to do with how I establish my moral compass.
I’d like to be a truely good person, but I’ll be goddamned if the way I do that is lowering the bar to where I already stand.
People who try to live a wholly moral life end up like Doug Fawcett
I’d love to reduce my regular meat intake to zero when my finances stabilize.
Isn’t or Aren’t vegetables cheaper than meat?
Edit I failed grammar 🤪
Calorie for calorie, no.
Vegetables aren’t the totality of my diet. As it stands now, vegan or vegetarian replacements for meat are more expensive than actual meat.
Where do you live for beans and lentils to be that expensive?
The replacemets yes. But vegetarian food is so much more than just replacing meat. It’s cooking completely different meals that taste great without anything meat related. And that absolutely is cheaper that eating meat.
Sorry, I’m not in the market for a new faith.
All you need is some recipes and enough bother to try something new.
There are valid reasons for veganism, but it’s folderol to claim it’s absolutely cheaper. For one example, sardines are fished sustainably and are very low in mercury, both because they’re basically ocean mice. They’re also all but impossible to nutritionally outperform for the price.
The research has shown it is 30% cheaper to be on a whole foods plant-based diet.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study
That was highly manipulated by people who are completely lost in the sauce on diet culture. No need to make veganism into an eating disorder.
Veganism is a philosophy not a diet and the world’s trusted health institutions have recommended the plant-based diet as healthy.
Also btw Oxford is a reputable source. So you can’t say it’s manipulated.
Obviously there are exceptions. But in general a vegetarion meal is cheaper in comparison to a meal with beef or something like that. That is true for most meats. So for an “average” meat eater it is cheaper.
Do you know what “absolute” means? If so, why say it?
Who the fuck is downvoting this?
I love me some vegetarian and vegan meals that aren’t pretending to be meat. They are their own thing and are fantastic. Heck, making a bean and meat chili with more beans and skipping the meat can be just as good. A lot of Mexican food is or can easily be made vegetarian by just leaving out the mean or switching for beans.
I also love meat! But I do need to eat it less often.
It’s weird that I don’t even know if the meat or the vegan hardcores are downvoting me. This place realy has develloped a few hardcore communities that don’t care for stuff like “logic” or “having a real discussion”
Depends on where you live, but sometimes tofu and tvp can be pretty cheap, plus there’s always lentils in a pinch that’s possibly some of the cheapest proteins in any given store.