Seriously, couldn’t they just extend the tube a bit so it overhangs the exhaust pipe???
The entire comment section seems to be missing this is assholedesign and offering the same shitty solutions without addressing the asshole design…
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No, this is not asshole design. If the oil port was sticking further out, it’s gets knocked off if you lay the bike down. And then you have no oil at all, and a blown up motor.
It’s by good design the oil port is recessed. Yes it’s annoying to use a funnel, but it’s the preferable option.
?? Oil port would only need to be extended by like 0.5" to clear that exhaust pipe, the casing to the left extends probably 1-2" from that. If you lay the bike down it that casing would stop the oil port from being touched. Shouldn’t be an issue.
And the cap on the port extends another .5-1” when in place. Which means it’s sitting below the surface of the other things as is, but add .5” and it now becomes level with a few things. And level is by far enough for the cap to grab, twist and pull out. And when it does, you’re done riding for a while.
And instead of replacing the tip of the oil cap and the outer cases, you end up with a damaged block. Much more expensive.
A far better idea is to have a tool, admittedly not in every man’s possession, but tilt the bike away, remove the cap, and thread in. Tilt the bike back and you have a little spout. Clean, simple and easy. These are available for just about every manufacturers cap size and thread.
Honestly they sound like asshole engineers trying to justify their poor quality of work. Cardboard, tinfoil, and brake cleaner can’t excuse a poor design.
At least the foil idea was someone who has to deal with a similar problem on a different bike.
Does Lemmy have a “just rolled into the shop”? I would join instantly.
Bump cause I’m also interested
Make the exhaust curve back a bit? More expensive to make the part than having a straight pipe with just one bend.
Dent the exhaust? Affect flow, create hot spot right under the oil drain plug.
Expect people to be intelligent enough to put some cardboard or foil under the plug so they don’t spill oil on the exhaust? Idiots are complaining and posting their failure on the internet and blaming you.
Extend the length of the drain plug by 1cm? Something something, profit.
I personally don’t want any part of the engine casing sticking out during a crash, but maybe that’s just me.
This section isn’t on an easy to replace cover.
You can plainly see that there’s plenty of other material sticking out much further than any 1cm extension. If you were in a crash that ate through all that material first, I’m sure the engine casing would be the least of your worries.
All this mess could have been prevented with a little bit of cardboard between the drain and the exhaust, you realise that I hope.
Smoldering cardboard doesn’t sound like a good idea.
You don’t normally change oil with the engine running
I’m talking about the sparklers I’m using for illumination
Good luck lighting cardboard on fire with an exhaust
All fire needs is heat, oxygen, and fuel. You’ve got all of that there.
The exhaust gets hot enough to burn off oil when it’s idling, so I’m sure it’s hot enough to burn cardboard.
I’m not going to risk it, the tinfoil idea sounds like the goer here.
Are you doing your oil change with the engine running or something?
No, it won’t make cardboard catch on fire, just like the oil on it won’t catch on fire if you left it there.
I bet the maintenance guide says to use a funnel or something ¯\(ツ)/¯
Nope.
Quote: yeah, let’s blame the user for not fixing the manufacturer’s shitty design
Next time just rotate the bike 90° so the oil drains straight out and misses the exhaust. Problem solved!
Oh fuck, it’s so simple! Thanks man, this is the correct answer.
Yeah my first though as well is the bike is probably supposed to be tipped when draining?
Tipping it over could cause a drop, which could be costly to replace. And if you’re just holding it to one side. You’d need a second person to either hold it, or take the plug out.
Well the problem with that is when you lay the bike down, the oil port gets shaved off and you lose all your oil. Don’t ask me how I know.
So yeah, it’s a PITA to use a funnel, but it’s still the preferable option.
Super duke is like this too I just put aluminum foil over the exhaust.
What does that do?
Keeps oil from getting on the exhaust.
Keeps ‘THEM’ from reading the exhaust pipe’s mind.
The engineering team that designed the engine never communicated with the engineering team that designed the motorcycle.
Problems such as these are usually a management failure. The design of individual components are often owned by a particular person or small group. They take responsibility for the design and testing. If one person owns the sump and another person owns the exhaust pipe, their work needs to be coordinated in such a way that the finished product meets all its goals. It wouldn’t be a surprise to find out that the exhaust engineer had to re-route the pipe in order to resolve some other clash and they ran out of time to fix the new problem before mass production had to start. Making complex machinery is difficult.
That would cost $0.76 more in materials per vehicle, unacceptable!
But they saved so much money by having it this short!!!
If they made the spout longer, people would complain that they hit it with their shoes while riding. Or complain that it limits their ability to put on aftermarket pipes. Or some other issue that might be caused by it being longer. It is all about trade-offs.
Of all the options, I think dealing with a little oil on the pipes every 3000 miles or so is reasonable, especially since a piece of tin foil would solve the problem.
It’s most likely set back to keep it protected. A bit annoying but probably better than having it stick out and be exposed.
A lot of bad can be said about Harleys but I love that my 48 just has a little rubber hose with a plug in it to drain the oil.
I assumed that it just fell out the engine naturally.
Older ones for sure. Won’t even have a drain plug.
As long as you remember to top up every trip to the pump then at least you can be confident in always having clean oil!
It just works.
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Keeps the exhaust pipe from rusting. /s
keeps the exhaust lubricated so it doesn’t seize up.
I knew it was good for something My indicators siezed up just last week, shoulda replaced the fluid.
My Funduro does the same thing, but right at the header so if you get any oil at all on the pipe you get a nice cloud of smoke upon firing the bike up.
I still prefer dealing with that though over how my WR400 makes you take the header section off in order to change the oil filter. That gets more annoying - particularly as that’s something one has to do pretty regularly on that bike.
Makes me appreciate how easy oil changes were on my Ninja
