Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting. Vance told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” that he is opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine because he does not believe the country will ever be able to overpower Russia. He questioned why sending billions in aid to Ukraine is going to help the country at this point in its war against Russia, considering previous aid has yet to end the war. “What’s in America’s best interest is to accept Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians, and we need to bring this war to a close,” Vance said. “But when I think about the great human tragedy here, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans innocent have been killed in this conflict. The thing that’s in our interest and in theirs is to stop the killing.”
“Look, Russia will stop fighting if Ukraine just gives up the two ‘contested’ provinces.”
“Okay, Ukraine gave them up, but Russia now says it only wants these three more.”
“Look, Russia is being very reasonable. They will stop all the fighting and even allow Ukraine to join NATO if they just get these five provinces.”
“Ukraine is just a tiny country now. They might as well submit to Russian rule.”
“Russia just wants this one tiny province in Poland. Is that really worth starting WW3 over?!!!”
“France needs to accept that American Colonies will ‘cede some territory’ to Great Britain” Nobody could ever overpower the British Navy.
“We just need to accept that the Sovjet Union will cede some territory to Nazi Germany, the Wehrmacht just can’t be overpowered.”
“We should just let Japan have Hawaii. What more could they do?”
“Taiwan belonged to them anyway. Let China (PRC) have it.”
“Bullies get what they want and there’s nothing we can do about it”
“We like bullies because we want to be like them”
The killing would stop if Russia simply withdrew. But the Republicans never mention that as an option. Funny that.
Article 5 is just a suggestion
He picked up a message on his morning jog at the usual dead drop. It said “announce that Ukraine will need to cede some territory to Russia”
They don’t need a dead drop. Republicans just collaborate with facist authoritarians way out in the open. Their base either doesn’t care, makes excuses for them, or actively root for a christofacist dictatorship to take over and destroy democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/10/hungary-viktor-orban-republicans-ukraine-aid
He wasn’t a senator at the time so JD Vance wasn’t on the infamous republican 4th of July trip to meet with putin.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395719-gop-senators-visited-moscow-on-july-4/
Oh but what’s this? His companies helping to spread Russian propaganda? Wow, it’s always the ones you most suspect.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/us/politics/jd-vance-peter-thiel-rumble.html
There has to be a website that connects all the dots for this. Like some kind of pin board with photos and yarn you see in detective movies.
We accepted it in 2014, when Russia took Crimea, hoping that would satiate their dreams of the Soviet Empire and here we are nearly 10 years later. The Russian government does not act in good faith, and if we don’t crush their capability to wage war we’ll see them try to take the rest of Ukraine and beyond.
These guys may as well be the modern day equivalent of Neville Chamberlain.
The one sure way to end the fighting is to fund Ukraine’s defense. When the right defunded Ukraine’s defense, they didn’t do it to promote peace, they did it to advance the interests of their allies (that is, Putin).
The reality of ‘ending the fighting’ is going to mean the violence will continue in the territory Russia controls, even after the ‘hostilities’ as such are ended. When Russia gains some territory, the russification of that territory involves punishing the people there for not having surrendered more quickly, liquidating institutions of local culture and replacing them with Russian ones, the separation of families, the internal displacement of locals on trips to the far east that many won’t survive, the ‘political reeducation’ camps, etc.
When US politicians try to pass off enabling a certain genocide as an ‘end to hostilities’ or in anodyne terms like ‘cede some territory’, don’t let them do it. They’re not acquiescing to the inevitable, they’re actively partnering in genocide.
United States needs to accept that Republicans work for Russia now.
Democrats know and are mad about it. Republicans know and are happy about it. 🤷♂️
Look! A republican waving the flag of surrender. What a fucking coward. He’s not from my state and I’m still embarrassed that he is in Congress.
Nah, not an inch. Fucking Republicans.
Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting.
The problem is that if you reward Putin for his efforts, you only empower him and dictators like China and Iran. China will go after Taiwan, and Iran will go after Syria.
Because after all, they don’t have to beat the US military, or even war exhaustion from the people. He just has to outlast the greed of the American Senators.
Which compared to the 800 billion we spend on the military, or the $300,000 you can bribe a senator. It would seem that Russia has chosen the more economic approach.
And by “some territory,” he means “everything between Russia and Poland.”
Plus a bit of Poland…
“Some Paczkis sound so good right now comrade, we have no choice but to invade so we may liberate them.”
The traitor party, rePutincans, want to give russia some money, power, and oil? No shit?
Well, we’ll see what Moscow Mitch has to say about that! Oh wait.
Oh and fuck republiQans, fuck russia, and fuck the mushmouth corporate news who can’t find the wherewithal to pronounce an insurrectionist fraudster rapist as an insurrectionist fraudster rapist because WHY USE THE RIGHT WORDS when we can serve their republiQan owner/masters by pretending both sides bad? FUCK.
Thanks Neville Chamberlain!
“Chaps, anyone with a name like Hitler can’t be all bad. What do you say we give him another chance?”
Neville Chamberlain has been reappraised by historians, based on later released evidence, who argue he made that decision in part based on expert military advise and political considerations.
They knew that war was almost inevitable, but appeasement gave them time to build domestic political and public support, and prepare for a while longer. For example, this arguably allowed them to gain air supremacy:
So this guy’s worse than Chamberlain. He wants to engage in appeasement, reward a dictator for agression, help a Chinese and Iranian ally, without any real strategic benefit to the US.
Good info! I realize that blaming Neville is an oversimplification. It’s just funny to me that all the conservative ‘historians’ I know would be quick to throw Neville under the bus, but the current-day Republicans get a pass.
Interesting and it actually makes sense to delay the inevitable bombing, well, military wise
As an Ohioan, I apologize for my state unleashing this feckless sycophant on the national political discourse. Unfortunately, our Democratic challenger was less exciting than a bowl of tapioca.
We have a boring governor here in washington and it’s awesome. I don’t agree with everything but meh, it’s little stuff and who cares. I’m sad he’s retiring.
