Personally I think not having karma limits is nice currently! I understand why they were used but grinding karma as a lurker on reddit was frustrating.
Nazis.
Yeah, fuck Nazis!
No, that’s how they reproduce! Isolate them! Or at least use a condom.
Hah. It’s probably gonna be worse here.
They main instances have taken strong stances against nazi shit. The Lemmy developers are leftwing communists even, and they run lemmy.ml, so I don’t think defederating from servers who’ll platform nazis is unlikely.
I doubt that any instance I’d be interested in being a part of would federate with nazi communities. They’d end up more isolated than on Reddit.
This is why I love the idea of Federation. You can give them their own space to shout and fling their faeces as much as they want but absolutely nobody is required to give them an audience.
You mean you don’t want an algorithm hawking them into your face after your look up a recipe?
Nah, they are going to their own rathole.
This is the big one
Yeah, but actual Nazis. Not “you disagreed with me or voted for someone I don’t like so I’m going to call you a Nazi.”
This user doth protest too much, methinks
Yes, fuck them, by the root and stem.
Getting banned in one subreddit you never participated in for daring to have a comment (regardless of the content of that comment) in another subreddit.
I see the same shit in the Fediverse though. Mastodon admins blocking a server just because they refused to participate in a shared block list.
Someone’s going to make a script to ban a non-local user based on your remote posts, I guarantee it.
Which is important if you don’t want the Fediverse to become the next Voat.
Can you please explain?
Proactively banning problematic users before they cause issues is necessary. Prevention is better than cure.
Ah, the old guilt by association groupthink.
This is a ridiculous response. I think autobanning people who common “killthejews@ss.gov” is probably a good idea.
You’re making a strawman argument and putting words in my mouth.
Isn’t the federated model specifically designed as a solution to undesired moderation? If a server is ban happy, users won’t go there. Problem solved?
The fact that opening a new instance still requires some technical knowledge is a difficulty facing the fediverse, since the venn diagram of people with the time and know-how to manage server administration and people who are knowledgeable on community moderation aren’t always two concentric circles.
But that’s not a task that is asked of a general user, even if their goal is to switch servers. If you don’t like gmail, the solution for an individual is almost never to start your own email server.
Correct. What i’m saying is that since federated networks tend to be more community run initiatives, moderators are gonna be people from within the community and the final say on moderation issues is gonna come from those who understand how the fediverse works and have done the work of setting up the servers that everyone is using. Which I’m sure can and has worked for plenty of Mastodon and Lemmy instances out there, but I’m sure there’s also instances where the head admin simply went haywire one day and nuked everything. It’s not that the system can’ work, it’s just that it isn’t really designed to gravitate towards experienced trust and safety experts being the ones that important decisions fall upon.
I feel like I should clarify that I have nothing against any Lemmy mods or admins. They’re all being cool and helpful with onboarding reddit refugees like myself. I just think that this is an important thing to think about if we want this place to support more and more people and a growing number of communities in the future.
What mastodon server(s)?
Posting pictures too much, including pictures of tweets or pictures of news headlines.
Please link to the fucking article.
Yes! Many sumbreddits that actually had a point and were dare-I-say educational quickly became just twitter sceencap platitudes, on repeat.
I get it, easy to read and agree with and upboat, but ultimately just dumbing the place down to the lowest common denominator and burying anything with effort or insight.
Can’t wait for the screenshot of a Reddit post of a Lemmy post of an Instagram post about Elon tweeting some shit.
Oh God please
The comment “This” is annoying to me. Just use the upvote button!
The comment “this” comes from sites that don’t have votes. The equivalent here is voting. It really is that simple.
This.
This
Upvoted and this’d
This!
This tbh
This. I usually try to avoid commenting just “This” and try to give more explanation why I’m saying that. Feel like that’s the proper way of doing it.
Personally I am commenting and posting much more now than ever on reddit. I want to transition to lemmy and see it grow as I refuse to use the Android reddit app.
I am not typing/imagining a comment and then not posting it here either like many people do on reddit. It seems like a good time to become less of a lurker.
Yeah. Honestly I’m way more active here. Granted my whole time on the fediverse is like a week or two, but Ive made more comments today than I have in like a decade on reddit. I could easily see myself not returning to reddit.
Agreed, especially with how new Lemmy is, it just really feels like it needs our engagement to succeed and get more people to join.
I remember when I first got on reddit, it was still bigger than lemmy is now, but it still felt small enough that commenting actually felt worthwhile. Definitely excited to be here. Tryna engage as much as possible so people feel there’s a community to join
Yea that seems like something that started showing up more as time went on and more users joined. The trends and jokes did get tiring.
Add back the hardcoded slur filter but just for these kind of comments
Shadow banning… one of the most Orwellian moderation tools ever.
I never understood shadow banning. Just IP ban if you really don’t want that user coming back
It’s not about making the user leave, because of they know they are banned they’ll try to evade. Shadow banning gives the desired effect while not tipping off the user. So they post away, to nobody.
The original use case for Shadow banning was bots I think. To them it looks like they’re comments are still being posted, but everyone else it’s invisible.
IP banning is such an annoyance if you are unlucky enough to only be able to deal with ISPs that do not use fixed IP addresses.
“Can’t post today, because another random person got my IP ‘du jour’ banned in the past” is a pretty terrible user experience.
And the pro troll uses Tor or a VPN and only needs to reconnect his client to receive a fresh IP address. I consider IP banning to be a very mediocre tool at best.
Reddit banned device MAC addresses, in my experience.
E: I said MAC address but I meant device ID. Just mushy brain today.
I pretty sure you can’t get someone’s MAC through a browser (through the app maybe), so I’m calling bullshit on this one.
Upvote/downvote counts mangling. Just show the real numbers, don’t mess with them with an unknown “algorithm”.
As far as I can see, the real number is already on top of the post. And then you have the split of up/downvotes near the arrows. So the “algorithm” is just basic addidion and subtraction. Someone correct me if I saw something wrong…
I think they’re referring to what Reddit did with not showing them separately
That’s not what they mean, they’re referring to “score fuzzing”, a tactic Reddit used to combat vote manipulation. The number you see on a post or comment isn’t the actual number, it’s been fudged a little.
Mods locking threads because “y’all can’t behave” jfc just ban accounts breaking the rules and let the rest discuss
The reason they do this is so they don’t have to spend their entire life moderating a single thread.
For real. I’m so sick of mod drama. 99% of the time, any sub drama boiled down to a mod freaking out over X
Reddit has a longstanding reputation for being a hive of scum and villainy (like hosting the_donald for years, or kotakuinaction, etc). I really hope that Lemmy keeps with the general left-leaning vibes of the fediverse overall, hopefully being a good space for queer people, women, people of colour, etc.
I think you do have to be careful here though. If you’re too permissive you allow bigotry, but if you’re too restrictive you cut off honest, good faith debate and create echo chamber silos where beliefs are never challenged.
Bigotry should never be accepted but that means non-discriminatory opinions, especially ones you disagree with, should be allowed.
Good faith is the key here. I’m all for disagreements leading to lengthy discussions and even some controversy as long as everyone is arguing in good faith.
I can’t stand trolling, outright bigotry, and the normalization of literal fascist opinions as a mere “disagreement”. If a “disagreement” (you know which ones I mean) will lead to people dying if enabled, I’m pretty happy keeping those ideas out.
Gender critical ideas are based on truth and reality. If those ideas are censored here that would be terrible.
Hi! I’m trans. If you’re looking to change your mind about that I’m happy to chat! Otherwise I suggest you look to get out of here as soon as possible.
Hi! I’m gender critical. If you’re looking to change your mind about that I’m happy to chat! Otherwise I suggest you look to get out of here as soon as possible.
I’ve never understood the need to militantly oppose others’ personal situations when they have no impact on your own. Even playing devil’s advocate - what is the point of the hate? You don’t believe in gender identity, then don’t personally be trans. The fact that others may be would seem to have literally zero impact on you or your life. Why should Lemmy accommodate negativity that does real harm to people in sensitive circumstances?
So you want censorship of opinions you disagree with? Sounds pretty fascist tbh.
When those views call for the dehuminization of others or are based on false information, yes.
A relatively small thing: the 500-comment viewing limit for normal accounts. So many times on Reddit I’ve been put off engaging with posts with 500+ comments knowing that nobody would see it. It’s stupid because comments are just text and unless the software design is absolutely terrible then simple text comments shouldn’t take up bandwidth at all.
Funny that Reddit pretends to be saving you bandwidth by not loading comments, but has no problem loading 100MB of javascript bloat.
the 500 comment limit made the concept of daily threads replacing common questions a killer on subs like r/fitness. “Has this question been asked before? Well, instead of being able to pull up several threads about this topic, I have to go through the daily threads of hundreds of days and search the comments for keywords - after increasing the number of comments visible from 200 to 500, and then still not being able to search all the comments on the 1000+ comment threads.” Just genuinely became unusable.
The power that the admins have. While most subreddit bans were justified, in my opinion, it just felt really off for them to have so much power.
Here admin has even more power, except it is limited to their own instance. So it is more on the user to be prepared. You don’t want to be too attached to your data on a single instance. The instance might be abandoned, down, gone; the admin might go crazy. And the solution isn’t to have the admin be more reasonable. The solution is to hedge your bets on multiple instances and multiple communities.
Thirsty comments. Puns. Meta humor. Dog language like “fren.” People who use the word “stonk.”
i literally got a dm saying “i’m horny” like 30 seconds ago… and there’s a pun like 6 comments below yours, and meta humor like 5 comments above yours.
what i mean is, lmao, if that’s what you think you’re getting away from, i’m sorry to inform you that you have failed :)
- Karma penalty limits
- Reposts
Reposts! The same 20 jokes being reposted on r/funny to the point that they’re no longer funny.
You don’t want reposts? How about 15 different c/funny communities across 15 different instances each with the exact same reposts.
I assume all those different communities are eventually going to be assimilated into 1 or 2 communities. Those that lack subscribers will eventually die out organically.
Me too. I just hope the algorithm will be smart enough to only show me those communities on my front page. Right now it is showing me everything and I have no idea if there’s any real algorithm deciding what shows up.
People taking the voting system so seriously. On Reddit people got offended by being downvoted. Sometimes people downvote just because it’s sitting at a low number.
The karma system on Reddit is tied to a lot of things so it’s understandable for them to care about it. If an account has low karma, they’re more likely to be shadowbanned or suspended. Even when not shadowbanned, their posts and comments will need manual mod approval to be shown to other users.
I also hated the “disagree = down vote” mentality. Don’t like what the other person is saying? Take 'em down.
That’s the reason I signed up for Beehaw, because they removed the down vote ability. I think it makes for a more positive mindset
