Edit: list of weird things he’s said about CP
In the two years I’ve watched Vaush, every single time trans people have come up, he’s been the first to defend us. Not to be a walking “wHaT aBoUt ThE cOnTeXt” stereotype, but using this (very) old clip to represent Vaush is super disingenuous.
To whomever is reading this: before you hate this guy, watch one recent video from his channel or tune in to one livestream. I think you’ll find that he isn’t remotely the person the clips paint him as. I’m not demanding that everyone like the guy, but at least form an opinion of him based on more than just the clips shown to you by someone who hates him. Here’s a video from a week ago on his second channel covering trans politics in Germany (and then getting sidetracked over the German language). You’ll find a very different person from the clip above.
Ah yes, he loves rushing to the defense of those he views as subhuman. Get the fuck out of queer subs if you’re gonna be shilling for this big of a cunt
I see so much hatred dripping from your response. Are you okay? Hating an online content creator, a guy you har never and will never meet is not healthy.
What’s not healthy is pretending that somebody can both support trans rights and view trans people as subhuman. I hate him because he views me the same way a trump supporter views Mexican immigrants
I don’t believe you are arguing here in good faith. i doubt i could convince you that Vaush is not an evil bigoted POS, but i will try. When Vaush called trans ppl subhuman was in what was called the thoughtslime meltdown stream. In that stream he called trans people on twitter subhuman in a hyperbolic way. He did not refer to them as subhuman for their transness but for their behavior online. i disagree with that language since i believe it is unnecessarily bigoted and harmful. Since then Vaush has talked with others and has acknowledged what he did wrong. He released a couple of videos explaining this process. I hope you can let go of this unhealthy obsession. Hating a medium size content creator to this level is NOT healthy for you. His reach is not enough to care this much about what supposed harm he may do. Take it easy and i hope you have a good day!
Source?
Also he thinks child porn should be legal to own and likes saying the n word
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suuuper transphobic too
like holy shit dude keeps going on and on and on 💀
Tired of hearing people on here talk about this guy, could have posted a million different things about him being shit. He is a piece of shit and doubles on on this take many times in later streams.
Not only is he not a piece of shit, he’s the reason I’m here.
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Vaush is the trans community’s greatest debate and rhetoric developer.
Against my best interests, I’ll expose you to the online leftist gay community being as Vaush says, cancerous as fuck:
- Transmedicalists
- Tenderqueers
- LGB not the T advocates
While you and I don’t run into these people, they would be instantly banned in this space, Vaush spends far too much time on Twitter. And this is in like 2015 or something? Our community used to take a lot more L’s in the online culture war.
If he’s our best debate and rhetoric developer then we’re absolutely fucked. We don’t need edgy phobic cunts pretending to give a shit about us, he thinks we’re subhuman and we shouldn’t be supporting him
And no he’s not talking about those groups, he’s talking about queer people in general. Fuck off trying to downplay his hateful shit
… fuck off trying to play up a shitty misunderstood take from last decade.
No need to play it up, it’s fucking vile and if you don’t see it you should get the fuck out of queer spaces. It would be better if he ever acknowledged his shit takes, but he always doubles down, and then later hopes people just forget or tries to act like he meant something different
It would be better if he ever acknowledged his shit takes
Vaush constantly goes over his shit takes. Literally I’ve watched him break this clip down live on stream more than 5 times. And all of the other clips, too. After explaining what he meant, he often does double down. He aims to become more rhetorically effective, without ever compromising his moral consistency.
Source?
Ah yes, the moral consistency of saying you support trans rights while calling trans people subhuman
So there is no source then? You just blatantly lied about that?
At least in the clip, from what I gathered it doesn’t seem like he is talking about queer people in general, but the people who are part of popular online queer discourse. Like he qualifies who he’s talking about in the first opening seconds and it’s not “all queer people in general” and I think it’s uncharitable to make that claim. I also am not going to defend any of the language he uses but that is a separate matter from your second point.
Like idk he’s extremely vitriolic but from what I’ve found it’s always about people with ideas he disagrees with, not over a person’s identity in and of itself. Except bottoms, he really hates bottoms as an ongoing bit that gets really grating at times.
Oh I see, he doesn’t hate queer people just online queer people! That’s just the phobic equivalent of qualifying a sexist statement by saying it’s about white women (speaking of which he’s also wildly sexist)
Fuck him and fuck you for defending him
Can you actually define tenderqueer or is that just some signifier like woke and sjw? These are terms that have very little real meaning and just get thrown around to dismiss people for being loud. Vaush has said many transphobic things over the years and always just doubles down afterwards instead of actually listening to trans people. It would be different if he didn’t have tweets about how his trans friends get too mad over being misgendered over text, but he does. If that’s all that is required for vaush to consider you a tenderqueer, then its a signifier for queer people vaush doesn’t like to dismiss their feelings while claiming to be an ally of trans people. It’s the same type of toxic ranting right wingers do on trans people and SJWs, except they don’t lie about it.
Look, I’ve already been through my debate bro phase, I was even in debate in high school during it. Going into the conversation with the goal to be right isn’t constructive, especially when you don’t have any specific advocacies besides for just your beliefs. Dunks/owns are performative more than anything, they’re a display of superiority over the stupid opponent. It doesn’t advance anybody’s thinking, it is inherently stagnant because both people have advocacies to defend and will not give them up. This works well with strong original thinkers like Zizek and Peterson (don’t like Peterson, not saying his thoughts are any good but he’s definitely a thinker) but a debate is only as valuable as the actual thinkers themselves. Vaush doesn’t really change his worldview unless he’s just reacting to the world around him, he isn’t a right winger, but he is a reactionary. Vaush might shift people a little to the left and that’s kinda cool, but he doesn’t challenge them to actually think about their beliefs. It’s just giving them a more palatable set of paint.
Vaush is not a voice for trans rhetoric. Even if he wasn’t talking about trans people in this clip, calling people subhuman is inherently problematic Dehumanization is the base of bigotry..
Yea tenderqueer isn’t a thing, it’s just a way for reactionary “leftists” to be transphobic towards people who they don’t think are valid
It’s so cruel, and I honestly think bashing tenderqueers should be grounds for an instance ban. Being the trans safe space instance and all, I care far more about the tenderqueers than the debate bros who like the memes.
Im only defending vaush because I know one of his communities being in this instance and me joining with the 30 other people there will reflect on me. I dont really care about twitter drama and I will not go and defend any of vaush’s takes. I just wanna let you know, hey, I’m a vaush community member, we’re actually mostly made up of trans people who want to laugh. But way to make it personally about me and advocate for me being banned because I tried to engage with this post.
Oh you didn’t bash tenderqueers. I’m saying that the Keffals “make fake picrews” shit she did should be grounds for bans yk? Tenderqueer is a claimed term, using the term is fine. But we really shouldn’t have a space for the type of shit Keffals was calling for in an instance like this. I’m not going to be positive about trans people being attacked as a demographic on the trans safe space. There’s no room for that trolling here. If you think you’re bashing tenderqueers, maybe you should take a step back and think about why you felt that statement applied to you. I’m not saying I even like the people that claim to be tenderqueer, but the fact is I have no reason to speak or punch down to them.
Tenderqueer is like this terminally online twitter term. Keffals has some videos going deep into it. They owned the term, by the way. Its not like, a bash against their community afaik. Vaush has agreed with pretty much everything else you said. But no he is amazing at crafting rhetoric to help trans people argue for their rights more effectively.
Vaush is amazing and a great advocate for Trans rights and the left in general. I see so mny people hate on him but he has generally very good opinions. I dont agree with him on everything (he’s very US centric and that limits his perspective).
This kind of hatred towards one of the best trans friendly content creator is bad and you should stop. I recommend you actually watch him because he is none of the things you accuse him of being (maybe a bit mean and abrasive).
Also r/enoughvaushspam is a hate forum that has sent multiple death threats and organized hate raids on vaush and his community. Please don’t go to these kinds of hate fueled places.
A lot of the hate is also perpetuated by Tankies who he happened to piss off. Often the Tankies are fabricating straight up lies or taking what he says out of context (or taking things that he long changed his views on because GASP, PEOPLE CAN CHANGE AND GROW)
I personally am not a fan of the funny V man but it should be obvious to anyone that Tankies love lying
Why does this guy’s name remind me of a furry artist from many years ago…? 🤔
I mean I’m pretty sure he used to have a loli furry account
Oh no. I just realized I was thinking of Zaush (Adam Wan). One letter off. 🤦♂️
That’s a relief. I like Zaush.
who vaush why homophobic. link no work.
Vaush is a dip shit reactionary debate streamer who gets called a leftist because he uses the aesthetic of anarchism. Simps for the CIA, says he’s “building a new left without mentally ill crybabies” and says he means gay and trans people.
I don’t get it doesn’t he know gay and trans people are based?
Yes he does and he lives with 3 trans people.
He lives with three trans subhumans* quit acting like this asshole gives anything remotely resembling a shit about us
while i agree that some people on the left take certain things too far, you cant pretend that right-wingers dont have their fair share of nutjobs either
theres always gonna be extremists, but using a couple of chronically online extremist trans people as an example for why the lgbt+ is subhuman is just total garbage
Yeah, I do not understand how this guy still has so much support when I’ve seen much larger creators lose their following off a lot less. Like if you’re a leftist streamer, there is no reason this type of rhetoric should ever come out of your mouth.
