I don’t think anyone is like that. I think it’s an entirely fabricated and false perception
Edit: also, by “actual progress” OOP obviously means reformist neoliberal capitulations. It’s biased as hell. No one thinks anything will be “magically fixed.” The author can’t even seem to decide whether they’re trying to dunk on anarchists or authoritarians. It reads like a poorly researched attempt at rage bait
It’s coming from .world. OP and most of these comments are talking about their weird idea of what MLs believe and practice, while ignoring MLs in this very post. It would be different if OP was Lenin in 1902.
Proving your claim is your problem, and it would be trivial to just name the people you’re talking about if you actually cared about what they believed. But you’d rather keep being mad and getting other people mad about this type of person that only exists in your head.
Yogthos, Cowbee, Davel, Dessalines, Linkerbaan, off the top of my head.
Not that burden of proof was on me, since your claim is the absolute, from improbable ignorance. Like there’s no reason ML has this reputation. Zero MLs do the thing everyone expects from ML! It is a miracle.
And I worry that that phrasing hews too close to your strawman, where “some” means “all.” If some ML who’s merely a serial annoyance insists they’re not a tankie fundamentalist, then there is no such person.
Why am I bothering. You think pointing to theory means nobody could act differently.
Revolutionaries don’t say that anything less than revolution is worthless, we just point out how electoralism cannot solve the fundamental problems of capitalist society. We also don’t say that revolution fixes everything overnight, it merely allows us to start building and developing socialism, with all of the difficulties and new problems we face when that happens. We also don’t baselessly say revolution is coming any minute or anything, just that as capitalism decays it grows more and more likely, which is reflected in crisis and more violent reaction, like we are seeing with the Trump admin.
Overall, you seem dead-set on misinterpreting MLs. I think if you made an effort to engage with us, you’d better understand why we say the things we do.
Overall, you seem dead-set on misinterpreting MLs. I think if you made an effort to engage with us, you’d better understand why we say the things we do.
I can start, but no tankie will ever touch this point out of fear.
Juche requires a caste system. How do you justify that?
He can slander them and make strawmen but as soon as they’re invited to the same stage now it’s evil. Weird how one can create strawmen but can’t deal with the actual people.
I’d rather not mention the org I work with by name for my own security reasons, plus my involvement is limited for now so it would lean more stolen valor until I can increase my involvement.
‘I’m not like that.’
Hey, maybe it’s not about you?
I don’t think anyone is like that. I think it’s an entirely fabricated and false perception
Edit: also, by “actual progress” OOP obviously means reformist neoliberal capitulations. It’s biased as hell. No one thinks anything will be “magically fixed.” The author can’t even seem to decide whether they’re trying to dunk on anarchists or authoritarians. It reads like a poorly researched attempt at rage bait
I envy your ignorance.
Edit: I can’t nail you harder than your own edit does.
Well, lemme hear it. I’m curious
And they disappeared, to never let us hear it…
I’m probably a strawman myself 😣 I’ve heard that’s terminal
He’s currently raging at me for calling out his transphobia and strawmen, and then says I’m the weirdo.
It’s coming from .world. OP and most of these comments are talking about their weird idea of what MLs believe and practice, while ignoring MLs in this very post. It would be different if OP was Lenin in 1902.
‘Not all MLs!’
But quite a fucking lot of MLs. The loudest MLs. And their mods. And their admins.
You can’t stretch this into prejudice and claim offense. It’s explicitly describing a subset, and they are right there for the lookin’.
You’re doing it right now. If you think that’s what MLs here believe, @ them and ask them if they believe this.
It would be really weird if marxist leninists didn’t read Lenin or derived works.
‘I am explicitly talking about highly visible people not necessarily present.’
‘Well I don’t see them present.’
This is not a me problem.
And every Christian is super good about what Jesus said.
Proving your claim is your problem, and it would be trivial to just name the people you’re talking about if you actually cared about what they believed. But you’d rather keep being mad and getting other people mad about this type of person that only exists in your head.
Yogthos, Cowbee, Davel, Dessalines, Linkerbaan, off the top of my head.
Not that burden of proof was on me, since your claim is the absolute, from improbable ignorance. Like there’s no reason ML has this reputation. Zero MLs do the thing everyone expects from ML! It is a miracle.
And I worry that that phrasing hews too close to your strawman, where “some” means “all.” If some ML who’s merely a serial annoyance insists they’re not a tankie fundamentalist, then there is no such person.
Why am I bothering. You think pointing to theory means nobody could act differently.
Revolutionaries don’t say that anything less than revolution is worthless, we just point out how electoralism cannot solve the fundamental problems of capitalist society. We also don’t say that revolution fixes everything overnight, it merely allows us to start building and developing socialism, with all of the difficulties and new problems we face when that happens. We also don’t baselessly say revolution is coming any minute or anything, just that as capitalism decays it grows more and more likely, which is reflected in crisis and more violent reaction, like we are seeing with the Trump admin.
Overall, you seem dead-set on misinterpreting MLs. I think if you made an effort to engage with us, you’d better understand why we say the things we do.
I can start, but no tankie will ever touch this point out of fear.
Juche requires a caste system. How do you justify that?
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Any of yall wanna talk about whatever orgs you’re part of? This guy seems to think yall just sit around waiting for a revolution.
Gonna skip Dessalines, since he literally wrote Lemmy, I think that counts as organizing.
He can slander them and make strawmen but as soon as they’re invited to the same stage now it’s evil. Weird how one can create strawmen but can’t deal with the actual people.
I’d rather not mention the org I work with by name for my own security reasons, plus my involvement is limited for now so it would lean more stolen valor until I can increase my involvement.
Oh fuck off, don’t drag the tankies I’ve blocked into a thread talking shit about them. What an amazing idea for constructive conversation!