Trying to keep a public torrent alive is hard work, but someone has to do it.
Back when I had VDSL and even ADSL, I’d try to hit 1.1 ratio because if everyone did that the risk of information being lost would be close to 0%. Nowadays with gigabit internet, all that prevents me from seeding is hard drive space, and 8 TB doesn’t fill up quickly with how few good movies and series there are these days. I guess that’s one way to stop piracy, just make fewer and worse series/movies.
“Good” is in the eye of the beholder. Have you considered that the quality hasn’t changed much, but instead you’ve become more discerning as you age? I certainly have far less tolerance for the stupid shit I used to think was funny long ago.
I get that. I used to think The Big Bang Theory was funny
*shudder*Depends on the comparison. Better than sitting in silence, worse than touching grass.
I think I would rather watch paint dry than The Big Bang Theory tbh
[Laugh Track]
Now now, how can you possibly experience the satisfaction of having cleansed yourself of cringe after-the-fact from watching paint dry?
Same
Yeah, I’m aware of that. And if I liked copoganda I’d be swimming in shows. That’s just getting older I guess.
There’s so much good shit on TV, and at least half of it doesn’t involve cops.
at least half of it doesn’t involve cops.
I like how safe you’re playing that estimate 😂
Like no longer thinking Bio Dome is comedy genius
How dare you ! Poly shore is a national treasure !
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
Good definitely is subjective. I have Robot Jox in my library and it won’t be deleted until I’ve left this mortal coil.
I heard Crash and Burn won’t be deleted either.
Somehow I forgot about that one. I don’t think I ever saw it.
Theoretical sequel, fun to watch if you like 90s post-apocalyptic thriller scifi, although there’s barely any mecha in it.
Never mind then. The bots were the draw in the original. That and, of course, the acting!
The acting’s.not bad for a B movie.
Unfortunately BitTorrent clients are kinda messy and don’t make it easy to maintain a long term seeding library. I’ve moved to qbittorrent which is a bit better than Deluge on that regard, but it’s still not great.
Yeah, they are messy. I tried BiglyBT a few years back, and while I love a lot of features, I think that was overkill for sure. qBittorrent is the golden standard at the moment for sure.
Also I don’t understand the upload torrents limit, ok, limit concurrent uploads, but everything I’m seeding should be available all the time
That’s one (of many) reason I’m glad I switched to linux, Back in windows xp days Microsoft tried limiting the amount of “half-open connections” for its users “security”. But even today, some routers just aren’t powerful enough to handle too many connections, and often times the cheap routers that ISP’s provide are limited on purpose either by custom firmware or just by hardware limitations.
How many torrents do you have??? I seed over 7000 torrents concurrently using qbittorrent
I’ve about 2k, but I’ve had to adjust the weird defaults
Is your issue that it’s hard to move files around without breaking seeding, or something else?
Well, that’s an issue for sure, but in my case it’s just that when you have thousands of torrents seeding it’s hard to keep them organised and navigate them, labels help but not much, essentially my bittorrent client is a bucket of shared files, reviewing what I have, deleting and moving is a hassle.
That was fun back in the day when movie studios blamed piracy for their movie performing badly, so someone checked and their movie was barely present or downloaded on the high seas.
I did that.
And rightfully so, I was a 15 year old in a third world country with a beat up compaq computer to download movies overnight. I couldn’t seed cuz my father would find out I wasted the internet.
Today, I can seed and have a 26TB hard drive, I preserve old movies in my native language (Telugu) and seed them.
Do we need people to learn about seeding and ratios? Definitely. But I believe in
Today’s leechers are tomorrow’s seeders.
And don’t blame them.
Sounds like you grew up and your hardware did too!
Not everyone is able to seed unfortunately. Here the downloading aspect although not allowed seeding is when you can receive fines.
Hence I cross seed everything to I2P.
Of course only Linux ISOs 😉
I leech because i have a 1mbps upload speed and if i’m uploading using that then my download speeds tank rendering my connection useless.
I’m moving in the next year and when i get a place with more than ADSL you bet i’m setting up a seedbox
just had a silly idea: stopping your torrent right as it starts to seed (to avoid ISP letters) is like pulling out as a form of birth control
Yeah, but you still seed while you download
Meta’s legal defense was that they limited seeding to a minimal value as a precaution when they pirated terabytes of books. Of course, I don’t expect the same ruling would be granted to an individual… Shit is fucked.
So they downloaded it all to train their models and didn’t even seed back!?
Yes, beacuse that would be distribution of copyrighted materials…
Digital pre-cum.
How do I delete someone else’s comment?
JFC people, use protection
you mean a VPN ?
yes
Has the law in any jurisdiction determined that sharing some small fraction of bits is equivalent to sharing an entire series of bits? And how do they determine that? Like I’m sending 1s and 0s right now. Is that a violation?
I mean, at that point everything is legal if we pretend to just send “random” 0s and 1s
But there must be some kind of burden of proof, right? If I leech 0.001% of a file, have I really pirated that file? If yes, then how small does the amount go? If no, then how large does it go? Or if they have to prove intent, well then that can go to trial…
In the piratebay trial, just announcing the hashes was bad enough for a conviction
Did a little digging around. It looks like they manage to get discovery judgments all the time over partial downloads, but I don’t see them actually taking anyone to court for anything less than a full file.
Once you have the entire file available, it’s hard to shimmy around the distribution claims. Wouldn’t it be super effing interesting if everyone’s torrent client specifically picked a random block and refused to give it to anyone?
I’m not sure it would hold up in court, but it would be interesting.
That’s… not how it works. A law firm rep (usually) just has to connect to the swarm and see what IPs are there. It matters not if you share, being in the swarm is enough for them to send your ISP a notice of infringement. So as others said, use protection.
I have now a ratio of 9.1 and 250TB of uploaded…
Also my hard drive is getting full. I guess I have to clean up some torrents soon.
Or buy new storage
Buy more storage. Cheers. Awesome ratio.
that’s a minimum of 27TB of storage, what kind of monster is your computer?
Thats really not that big in terms of a NAS. Some crazy fuckers on reddit had literal PETABYTES of storage.
HDDs are getting massive. You could almost store all that on a single drive right now.
Nothing “almost” about it. Retail drives are available right now at 30tb. Although, the more reasonable price/GB is at around 8tb with occasional outliers.
Yeah i knew they were coming but last I saw they’d only released them in the mid 20TB range and was too lazy to look it up.
Huh?
coughs in 50TB
That are only 3 hard drives.
I bought myself parts for TrueNas.
1000 where half of it was the storage.
Buy more storage, but also… join private trackers when they open signups. You’d be amazing there.
I never really understood private trackers TBH or rather the reason behind them. I like the idea of publicly sharing more anyway
The advantage of private trackers is that:
- torrents almost always have seeds
- you can ask for re-seeds in case they aren’t
- torrents have a good quality
- you’re less likely to receive a complaint letter from copyright holders
There are some niche private trackers which have an active community that handle quality and requests. Also they don’t let just anyone create a torrent, so you can have assurances that the files have been vetted to some extent and you’re not going to download something unexpected.
Public tracker: You are the hero, getting a 30:1 upload ratio in a mere 30 days. “Wow, this shit is easy!”
Private tracker: “Please… can this torrent even reach 10% upload? It’s been an ENTIRE YEAR! I have 500 torrents in the same state!”
Most private trackers have some sort of bonus point system now where you earn points per hour of seeding per torrent, regardless of how much data you actually upload. You can then use those points to buy upload credit and raise your ratio
They have to. It’s a requirement, or everybody would quit in protest.
Thank you for your service.
Why is it called seeding but where is sperm in question?
We could call it breeding instead
«See, when two people on the internet love content very very much…»
There’s microplastics in my magnet link.
Personally I enjoy seeing the numbers go up. Looking at the current top ten by ratio according to my torrent client most of them are obscure things that I’m probably the only one seeding — but the number one spot, at a ratio of 565, goes to “Shrek (2001) [1080p]”.
Eh, mine’s
linuxmint-20-cinnamon-64bitMine is a odd Xbox torrent with like a 39 ratio. Everything else is like a 2.5 or 3 ratio max.
My Linux Mint 22 iso currently has a ratio of 11908.34 over the last year and a bit.
Edit:
linuxmint-22.2-cinnamon-64bit.isois gaining fast with a ratio of 314 in just two weeks.
Damn, I am only at a ratio of like 10 from some season packs of Chuck and The Mentalist. 565 is crazy!
I was over 900 on several torrents before switching clients about a year ago. I have a few in the 300s now.
the second it says “Seeding”
Don’t worry, it will stall at 99.9% forever
I hate how relatable this is.
Recheck torrent Recheck torrent Recheck torrent Recheck torrent Recheck torrent Recheck torrent Recheck torrent Recheck torrent Recheck torrent
god i even hate pausing seeding for even an hour cause i’m like BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE WANTS IT???
you’re the hero we don’t deserve
I don’t know about you guys, but I set mine to stop seeding at a 2.0 ratio. Give more than you get. That’s the way I think it should be.
True, unless you’re the only one seeding a particular thing. It’s good to keep media alive and available, especially obscure stuff.
Depends on the torrent tbh, if it has loads of seeders already i don’t really care.
A better way is to just limit connections and upload speed and seed forever. If your total connections is like 25 and your max upload is like 100 KB/ps, it doesn’t affect your internet or anything although you should use a VPN and stuff, and it helps to keep those files out there with a complete source for a long time.
Why would you do that? We should all keep on seeding as long as possible.
Cause I don’t have infinite storage. My seedbox has 4TB.
but seeding more does not cost storage. why not let it seed until you delete it?
if it’s so that you can see which ones can you delete, just click on the ratio column to sort by that, and check which ones have a higher ratio
Because most people aren’t using the files as stored in the download folder. They’re renaming it, moving it to another folder, and deleting all the extra files. So you’d have to store it twice basically.
This is one of the great things about the *arrs. They will create a hardlink to the file in your media folder structure so that you can keep seeding and have a well organized/named media library without wasting storage.
Prior to that, I also just saved my torrents directly to my media library, and used the torrent manager to rename the local file properly. Same thing effectively, just a lil more work.
As the other comment says, use hardlinks and then you can have several copies of the file across the same partition all reference the same file, using just the storage space needed for one copy of the file. Still RAR files will need to be extracted first, so those would require just about twice the file size, but hopefully people stop using rar, so that’s not a concern.
My media server is not the same as my seed box.
I’m guessing your seedbox is always on?
So why not use a shared folder?
If you’re copying a file to another server there’s still no reason to delete it on the seedbox until you have to.
No.
Seedboxes just arent (usually) used as streaming servers.
So we fetch the downloads from the server and purge unpopular/non-important torrentsHere’s a tip: after moving the folder (idk if this counts after renaming a folder or file, probably doesn’t), go into your torrent client and click Force Recheck on the torrent. it’ll recheck everything and continue seeding the file.
Valid, although I prefer the 24/7 seed to infinity method.
Highest I’ve seeded before stopping was 2000x, on about 30 or so titles. And everything from my home connection lol
The more seeders, the likelier I’ll probably give 2.0.
But I’ll keep everything seeded as long as I have storage available.Used to do this but now feel like it’s a net positive to just let it go and be a bigger cog in the antimachine.
People should learn how to seed. If you don’t want to seed, just pay for Usenet.
It’s a shame Usenet has become fully paid. It’s what ultimately pushed me into torrents. And the fact that small communities don’t have all the content out there for you to download via Usenet.
Downloading large files from Usenet was paid pretty early on. If the core functionality of Usenet is now paid, this is news to me.
There weren open test servers though and sites with limited trials but no data limit.
That’s what I used back in the day. Sadly all these trial offers are gone now and demand credit card information upfront.
My dialup ISP in the 90s included Usenet.
What do you consider large files? Isn’t the article size usually limited to something like 1mb (it’s been a while since I used Usenet)?
So it would technically be about the number of articles rather than the eventual size of the combined archive? At the core it’s all still text right?
Pirated media(images, movies, ebooks, ROMs) uses binary posts, not text. There are different limits and retention policies for binary versus text articles, and most Usenet servers, particularly cheap or free ones, don’t host a lot of the categories a pirate would want at all.
Please don’t imply that all Usenet providers facilitate piracy.
Thanks for the pointer! I took the opportunity to learn a bit about more recent NNTP by reading the standard: RFC 3977. It looks like nntp v2 circa 2006 added MIME encoding, so I would guess that may be how a service provider would differentiate.
I haven’t used Usenet since the turn of the century. Back then it was all text (including every article under alt.binaries), and even pirated media needed to be split into a multi-part format (often rar) then each part uuencoded so it could be included in an article.
I mean, you made me look at it again myself, as the multi-part rar files on Usenet are still very much a thing. The allowable “article” sizes for binary content are larger than for text articles, but still too small for video or high-quality audio.
Isn’t that what streamio effectively does?
I do think this is the real issue, these programs like Kodi and stremio do exactly that.
Yep. And that’s why I hate those users. Damn leeches
Question: does a debrid server avoid that? Do debrid providers seed?
My understanding is that debrid servers do not seed, which is the primary reason I’ve been turned off to the idea of using one
Hmm. Good to know. Though at least they only download once for multiple people
No one wants my seed.
I would seed if people ever used me. I only have so much space, and everytime I try to seed, there’s either nobody downloading, or theirs a hundred other seeders.
Have you checked if you have the port used by your torrent software forwarded?
Maybe one day ProtonVPN will fix their port-forwarding for their configuration files, I haven’t seen anyone else complain about this and their support is oblivious that this function even exists.
For people wondering the Learn More link just tells you what port forwarding does.
Try taking a look at the way glueten implements port forwarding with protonvpn. Hopefully it helps you piece together a script that works for your setup.
https://github.com/qdm12/gluetun/discussions/2686
https://github.com/qdm12/gluetun-wiki/blob/main/setup/advanced/vpn-port-forwarding.md
Looking at the docs, it seems like that toggle enables UPnP, so the rest of the setup should be on the torrent client to announce that it needs an external port, and the VPN and torrent client should handle things from there. Maybe you can lookup the docs for your torrent client and see if there’s anything extra to use UPnP?
I mean I’ll give it a try, their support flat out said they don’t support port forwarding for WireGuard configs which is why I never used the feature, but if it’s truly using UPnP than it may be worth a shot!
As for router setups, the Port Forwarding feature is unfortunately not yet officially tested and supported, therefore, I will be unable to provide any specific steps for setting it up and creating a port mapping on your Asus router, nor guarantee that this specific scenario would work as intended. Our team will consider testing it on router setups as well in the future, however, at this moment, I am unable to provide any specific time-frames or further details. I apologize for the inconvenience that this may cause you.
Edit: https://protonvpn.com/support/port-forwarding-manual-setup#wireguard looks promising!
I have given up on proton. My subscription is ending soon and I’ll be switching to airvpn
I seed EVERYTHING until i run out of space. Qbitorrent doesn’t like me having .torrent files in more than one drive, so i’m limited to my 14TB. But i have dozens of torrents that i’m only one of 2 or 3 people seeding it, so those help me upload hundreds of GB’s with my terrible connection.
Also i’m on a private tracker, so leaving them seeding helps your ratio, even if you don’t actually upload anything. They just try to encourage new people to seed and that is awesome.
