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I’m confused, doesn’t worsening material conditions count as political utility in his eyes?
Edit:I normally wouldn’t have an issue, since it’s actually pretty sane, but I literally thought to myself today “it would be funny if BE said Kirk’s death was a bad thing because adventurism will make things worse.” I was joking. I’m starting to hypothosize that economists [both accelerationist and reformists] are actually simps for the status quo
They were gonna do it anyway. I don’t think it even accelerates things.
Man BE is on a streak of bad takes lately its kinda sad.
I dont understand this position. Does anyone really think the far right just, wasnt going to do anything before? Like they were waiting for something like this to happen? As if Trump wasnt already deploying the national guard in major cities? Like come on, the ruling class does not act out of petty revenge, and by this logic there is no actual action communists can take because anything can serve to provoke the far right.
And werent people saying this same thing about Trumps failed assassination last year? And nothing happened
Too many Americans are scared of things changing and want to just put the blame on whatever. They want to cling to the idea that the path we are on could somehow be avoided if X Y or Z didnt happen. If this event somehow changes what you think the future holds then you havent been paying attention.
It’s funny because the dudes a hardcore accelerationist when he talks about the west burning but then when things accelerate and he isn’t the one making all the comments he gets stuck up his own ass about it. At this point his ideology isn’t communism, it’s his own ego. He HAS to be contrarian to let us all know how dumb we are and how smart he is.
At this point his ideology isn’t communism, it’s his own ego.
He more or less confirmed that explicitly.
Its sad but true. Hes gotta be a contrarian. He went from making high effort content of genuine academic quality in terms of research and analysis to just being against what everyone else is. I still think he has some good things to say every now and then but he took the ragebait too far and thats 90% of his politics now
It’s not that they weren’t going to do anything before. It’s that this lets them say “You see? I told you the left is out of control! They attacked us for no reason”. It solidifies the position. It gives them stronger grounds to do what they planned to regardless.
This is a completely unmaterialist take. This has absolutely 0 material effect on the situation. Stronger grounds to do what they wanted in the eyes of whom? Libs who werent gonna do shit either way? Conservative who were gonna eat up whatever they say regardless? Genuinely what is materially affected? This is a position based on the vibes of what sounds like should be true, not a realistic material analysis of the situation
Unmaterialist?
Yep, its based on a vibe or the idea of ‘solidifying their position’ when there is absolutely no material gain the right has from this, if anything they lost one of their main propagandists (which granted is only an issue for them in the short term, if even that). Their position is not ‘solidified’ and their grounds are not ‘stronger,’ the resources at their disposal, the propaganda they wield, and the industry they command is the same regardless if this guy is dead or alive. Hell Trump, Vance, Shapiro, everyone on the far right could die tonight and it would not significantly strengthen or weaken their long term political power, it would only cause short term confusion
Your position is solely based on vibes of what sounds like should be correct. This is something people implicitly accept as true without any critical thinking. It feels correct, its what everyone else is saying, and it aligns with how historical development is traditionally understood so it checks off the bias box as well. But make no mistake, this is an idealist view of the world. You absolutely cannot strengthen material power and material goals through ideals alone. Rhetoric does not create material power.
But lets just say that yes, youre correct. That his death really will somehow strengthen the far right overnight (as if they didnt already have the backing of the bourgeoisie with little challenge) and werent already deploying the national guard to major cities. Lets say such a thing not only is possible but even significantly beneficial to the far right as you describe. Would they not just orchestrate a similar event themselves to create the justification anyway? If they really needed it then theyd just do that. Ergo, Kirks death means nothing, because otherwise it wouldve been someone else and the outcome is identical. Because this was the trajectory regardless, and no ideals, rhetoric, sense of petty revenge can change that. No one man can change that by being dead or alive.
Your take is fairly unmaterialist and ignores class struggle in favor of individualism and vibe based idealism
They were always going to do that anyway, in the absence of a real event they would have made some shit up
I’m not gonna pretend that Chuck dying won’t accelerate our decline into martial law, but I’m not gonna pretend to be sad about it. He’s not Jesus and he’s not MLK.
I also get suspicious of people who make noise about fighting the power and being super radical while parroting mainstream fash talking points and pearl-clutching liberal hysteria. Enough people are telling us to be sad/angry over whiteboy podcaster #92 getting merced that we don’t need to bother saying it with them. Just let us have this win.
I don’t think we’re accelerationists but my group chat is tired of the status quo. Whatever, dude, none of us expect to retire in peace.
I feel like you can get more out of your life than just shooting one conservative politician.
No one is advocating shooting politicians. We just recognize that as the material conditions worsen, political violence will increase and that the response of fascists is going to be oppression and state violence especially against minorities and the left.
We’re not cheering it on but we’ve been aware of the possibility for years. It is whatever.
This guy is such a joke. only Vaush has cratered quicker in my personal discovery to block journey and BadEmpenada only lost by, like, a week. Crazy.
First of all, Charlie deserved it.
However gotta admit, my first thoughts were along these lines. It took me to see the reactions of the right wing pundits in my country to go full party mode just to spite those fuckers.
Is this him trying to state the obvious so people forget the “bad takes” (transphobia) he’s been spouting recently?
Or is he aware that people are pissed off at him and he says something obvious that contradicts what he normally says to cause conflict and engagement?
The killing of the this horse gummed warmonger was most likely in house hit by god knows who. However i don’t think it is in any way useful for the left or right
If he hadn’t post this, I wouldn’t have known that things would get worse. Thank god for BE.
Seriously tho, it’s getting hard to tell whether he’s just trolling nowadays or if he genuinely believes what he says on social media anymore. Who hasn’t anticipated that this incident will be used to incite even more violent retaliation against the left. He says this as if he were the first with this take. Acceleration of the cruel inevitable or not, the right would have always done what they wanted but they’ll surely grasp at whatever reasons to support their cause. Hate it how his superfans get so worked up when you give him some criticisms and god is he so quick to call people idiots or assume others are American for questioning him instead of engaging in good faith discussion. I’m a huge fan of his work but he can be so exhausting sometimes.
What the utility in saying this? I mean yeah, no shit, things can get worse but they actively have been getting worse for a very long time now. Right wingers being genuinely scared is a good thing. You should be scared to hold hateful beliefs
Acting like people can’t comprehend that things can be worse is pretty funny, ngl.
Like imagine if I posted on lemmygrad and was like, “I know it’s a bit hard for you people to understand, but the working class is a thing.”
This isn’t even a take or analysis lol, it’s just an internet personality over-inflating their own sense of awareness compared to others. “I better get online and say this, nobody will think of it otherwise.”
if only those dudes didn’t lite fire to the reichstag, nazi germany wouldn’t have existed 😔
If the Reichstag hadn’t burned, the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened, historians agree
the nazis wouldn’t have dared to cross these boundaries 😔
We don’t even know who was the person who shot Kirk or put fire in the Reichstag. It could even be one of the right wingers, thinking the guy wasn’t fascist enough.
And while Nazis and Magas may use anything to justify their goals, it’s not like they would cease doing any kind of violence they are already doing even if no bad event happened to them.
If only all those minorities hadn’t made the nazis so angry…
I used to agree with almost everything the empanada man had to say, but he’s been slipping lately. “Look long enough into the YouTube drama factory and it looks also into you”, I guess
I fully agree. I remember back when BE used to say he didn’t even want to voice his own videos because it would turn him into too much of a publicly involved figure. Today’s BE is unrecognisable by comparison where he wants every last dumb though to be a spectacle.
Living proof that Twitter is a cognitohazard
