(this is a sarcastic post meant to highlight the absurdity of some of the “greater good” rhetoric we’ve been hearing, especially around leaving vulnerable populations like disabled people behind in case of revolution, basically accelerationism)

  • InverseParallax@lemmy.world
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    Do you think we would have won in 2008 if we made everything gay marriage all the time?

    You wait for the right moment,with the right issues.

    You think Trump won by running on sending US citizens to El Salvador?

    This stupidity is why they always, always, always win,you fucking child.

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      You wait for the right moment, with the right issues.

      MLK Jr. had a lot to say about this position. Desegregation and civil rights were once just as unpopular as trans rights are now. If you’re feeling impatient skip to the last passage, though that would be quite ironic given you are calling on trans people to be patient waiting for their rights.

      While confined here in the Birmingham city jail, I came across your recent statement calling my present activities “unwise and untimely.” Seldom do I pause to answer criticism of my work and ideas.

      But since I feel that you are men of genuine good will and that your criticisms are sincerely set forth, I want to try to answer your statement in what I hope will be patient and reasonable terms.

      You deplore the demonstrations taking place in Birmingham. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes. It is unfortunate that demonstrations are taking place in Birmingham, but it is even more unfortunate that the city’s white power structure left the Negro community with no alternative.

      One of the basic points in your statement is that the action that I and my associates have taken in Birmingham is untimely. Some have asked: “Why didn’t you give the new city administration time to act?” The only answer that I can give to this query is that the new Birmingham administration must be prodded about as much as the outgoing one, before it will act. We are sadly mistaken if we feel that the election of Albert Boutwell as mayor will bring the millennium to Birmingham. While Mr. Boutwell is a much more gentle person than Mr. Connor, they are both segregationists, dedicated to maintenance of the status quo. I have hope that Mr. Boutwell will be reasonable enough to see the futility of massive resistance to desegregation. But he will not see this without pressure from devotees of civil rights. My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.

      We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was “well timed” in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word “Wait!” It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This “Wait” has almost always meant “Never.” We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that “justice too long delayed is justice denied.”

      I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

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        Jesus Christ.

        Trans are less than 1% of the population, and as a brown person, we can’t hide what we are, even for a second.

        But yeah, please tell me how trans is literally worse than the holocaust and slavery.

        Btw, do you think civil rights would have gone better or worse if someone more closely aligned with Hitler gained power before WW2?

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          Trans are less than 1% of the population

          And that makes protecting their rights unimportant?

          But yeah, please tell me how trans is literally worse than the holocaust and slavery.

          Did I say that, or did you imagine that I did?

          Btw, do you think civil rights would have gone better or worse if someone more closely aligned with Hitler gained power before WW2?

          I assume you’re saying this because you believe that Democrats advocating for trans rights cost them the election, giving it to Trump. The only way you could have come to this conclusion is if you heard it from some talking head and believed it without critical thought because it feels right to you. The thing is, it’s just completely false. The Democrats’ advocacy for trans rights has been lukewarm at best and overtly hostile at worst. Most of them have the same mindset as you, where they prefer to retreat from difficult topics like trans rights, ceding the narrative to conservatives while failing to create any consistent narrative of their own. That’s what cost them the election.

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      23 hours ago

      Ok, and who exactly do you think is making trans people’s rights a big issue?

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          So, your argument is that trans people should’ve shut up?

          I see a couple of problems with this:

          1. You don’t control trans people. I don’t control trans people. The Democratic Party is already on your side here. They apparently didn’t think that trans issues were worth pursuing, because they were completely silent on the issue during the 2024 election.

          This brings me to my second point:

          1. Where were you seeing these pushy trans people who were demanding their rights? Because I certainly didn’t see them.

          You know what I did see? Republicans using trans rights as a wedge issue. And you’ve bought into it. That wedge is still working.