We need to stop using ambiguous terms like “leftist”. It’s way too broad and doesn’t help anyone. I identify as liberal (also too broad), and I likely believe in 90% of the policies you advocate for.
Liberals are reactionaries who wish to return to a previous status quo. Leftists wish to dismantle the existing systems, and establish a socialist system. Two goals in absolute opposition to each other.
In political terms, “liberal” typically refers to a political and moral philosophy based on ideas of liberty, consent of the governed, and equality before the law. However, the meaning of “liberal” varies somewhat depending on context and location.
In the United States, liberalism generally refers to:
Support for civil liberties and individual rights
Advocacy for social equality and justice
Belief in government intervention to address social and economic inequalities
Support for progressive taxation and social welfare programs
Emphasis on regulatory oversight of business and industry
In the broader international and historical context, liberalism is associated with:
“self-identifying liberals as they exist in the world today”
The world is a big place. Not sure if you mean “liberal” in the US context, “Liberal” as in the Canadian political party. “Neo-liberal” as in Economic position of Friedman economics, etc…
Leftist is also a relative term and isn’t very useful. You likely believe in important structural reforms surrounding minimum wage (perhaps UBI), environmental protection, universal affordable/accessible healthcare, strict banking regulation, drastic progressive taxation, harsh penalties for white collar crime, etc… But “left” of what, I doubt youre pushing for authoritarianism or communism?
My point is there are literally Nazis we are fighting right now. Maybe stop with the infighting as a result of ambiguous labels.
It’s not infighting. Liberals are reactionaries trying to return to a status quo they enjoyed. Leftists want to move forward to build an equitable world. Two completely opposing goals.
You’re fighting me for some reason (a self described liberal), who also wants to move the world forward to build an equitable world. By your definition I might be a leftist, but I (and others) don’t identify with that label.
We need to stop using ambiguous terms like “leftist”. It’s way too broad and doesn’t help anyone. I identify as liberal (also too broad), and I likely believe in 90% of the policies you advocate for.
Liberals are reactionaries who wish to return to a previous status quo. Leftists wish to dismantle the existing systems, and establish a socialist system. Two goals in absolute opposition to each other.
Yeah, that’s not the definition of “liberal”
This should be good. Let’s hear your version.
In political terms, “liberal” typically refers to a political and moral philosophy based on ideas of liberty, consent of the governed, and equality before the law. However, the meaning of “liberal” varies somewhat depending on context and location.
In the United States, liberalism generally refers to:
In the broader international and historical context, liberalism is associated with:
K. Not talking about liberals in theory. I’m speaking of the self-identifying liberals as they exist in the world today. An absolute menace.
“self-identifying liberals as they exist in the world today”
The world is a big place. Not sure if you mean “liberal” in the US context, “Liberal” as in the Canadian political party. “Neo-liberal” as in Economic position of Friedman economics, etc…
Leftist is also a relative term and isn’t very useful. You likely believe in important structural reforms surrounding minimum wage (perhaps UBI), environmental protection, universal affordable/accessible healthcare, strict banking regulation, drastic progressive taxation, harsh penalties for white collar crime, etc… But “left” of what, I doubt youre pushing for authoritarianism or communism?
My point is there are literally Nazis we are fighting right now. Maybe stop with the infighting as a result of ambiguous labels.
It’s not infighting. Liberals are reactionaries trying to return to a status quo they enjoyed. Leftists want to move forward to build an equitable world. Two completely opposing goals.
But go on with your obfuscation.
You’re fighting me for some reason (a self described liberal), who also wants to move the world forward to build an equitable world. By your definition I might be a leftist, but I (and others) don’t identify with that label.