“self-identifying liberals as they exist in the world today”
The world is a big place. Not sure if you mean “liberal” in the US context, “Liberal” as in the Canadian political party. “Neo-liberal” as in Economic position of Friedman economics, etc…
Leftist is also a relative term and isn’t very useful. You likely believe in important structural reforms surrounding minimum wage (perhaps UBI), environmental protection, universal affordable/accessible healthcare, strict banking regulation, drastic progressive taxation, harsh penalties for white collar crime, etc… But “left” of what, I doubt youre pushing for authoritarianism or communism?
My point is there are literally Nazis we are fighting right now. Maybe stop with the infighting as a result of ambiguous labels.
It’s not infighting. Liberals are reactionaries trying to return to a status quo they enjoyed. Leftists want to move forward to build an equitable world. Two completely opposing goals.
You’re fighting me for some reason (a self described liberal), who also wants to move the world forward to build an equitable world. By your definition I might be a leftist, but I (and others) don’t identify with that label.
Well I don’t give passes to Nazis (and the world is a bigger place than just the US). I guess I’ll just vote in favour of policies that we both support, rally against policies and parties that we both hate, and continue to advocate for a more equitable world.
You might not call me an ally, but I’ll call you one. (at least based on our limited interaction)
K. Not talking about liberals in theory. I’m speaking of the self-identifying liberals as they exist in the world today. An absolute menace.
“self-identifying liberals as they exist in the world today”
The world is a big place. Not sure if you mean “liberal” in the US context, “Liberal” as in the Canadian political party. “Neo-liberal” as in Economic position of Friedman economics, etc…
Leftist is also a relative term and isn’t very useful. You likely believe in important structural reforms surrounding minimum wage (perhaps UBI), environmental protection, universal affordable/accessible healthcare, strict banking regulation, drastic progressive taxation, harsh penalties for white collar crime, etc… But “left” of what, I doubt youre pushing for authoritarianism or communism?
My point is there are literally Nazis we are fighting right now. Maybe stop with the infighting as a result of ambiguous labels.
It’s not infighting. Liberals are reactionaries trying to return to a status quo they enjoyed. Leftists want to move forward to build an equitable world. Two completely opposing goals.
But go on with your obfuscation.
You’re fighting me for some reason (a self described liberal), who also wants to move the world forward to build an equitable world. By your definition I might be a leftist, but I (and others) don’t identify with that label.
Liberals will give a pass to Nazis, so long as they call themselves a Democrat. Not interested in allying to build that kind of world.
Well I don’t give passes to Nazis (and the world is a bigger place than just the US). I guess I’ll just vote in favour of policies that we both support, rally against policies and parties that we both hate, and continue to advocate for a more equitable world.
You might not call me an ally, but I’ll call you one. (at least based on our limited interaction)