• TheInfinityMachine@programming.dev
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    Before, I definitely would have said no. Working toward a nuke free world was going to get humans past the Great Filter. After understanding how susceptible humans are to propaganda, seeing how much more our technology is growing than our collective humanity, witnessing a small group of rich people use entire populations like they are nonsentient resources, and watching the USA power walk towards facisim… we are not going to make it past the Great Filter. Unfortunately it is starting to become more viable that longest lasting peace our species could hope to achieve comes from the fear of mutually assured destruction. All in all, I am no longer against the thought of it at all, especially after seeing how that worked out for Ukraine.

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      22 hours ago

      Working toward a nuke free world was going to get humans past the Great Filter

      Ironically, I’m increasingly of the opinion that the Great Filter will turn out to be Ignorance; more specifically, greed, stupidity and humankind’s more selfish nature delaying positive change long enough for climate change to wipe us out.

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        And for the few that remain, history gets lost.

        The notions of it being the same cycle again and again seem not too far fetched, now.

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      we are not going to make it past the Great Filter

      Yeah. Most likely not. We’ve only had the ability to actually extinct ourselves for a very short period of time and we’ve already used nuclear weapons on civilian populations and threatened to use them repeatedly ever since. It’s only a matter of time.

      When one flies, they all start flying. And if we don’t do it that way, we’ll simply burn up all the resources this planet provides and pollute the fuck out of our ecosystem.

      I’ll hold out a glimmer of hope, just cuz everyone likes rooting for the underdog, but realistically, the human species is probably just a temporary thing in the big picture.

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    Two men standing in a pool of gasoline. One man has 20 matches while the other has none.

    The man with no matches wonders if it’s a better idea if he should have a match too.

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      23 hours ago

      Obviously he should. Having a match, which is a genuine threat to the other man’s life, is the only thing that will give him a seat at the table.

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        21 hours ago

        Two disparate puddles of gasoline.

        Hiroshima/Nagasaki did not render the country or world inhabitable.

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      It would be a good idea for the guy with no matches to get matches. If the guy with all the matches is much stronger than the guy without matches, the guy without matches would benefit from the threat of being able to take the other guy down with him.

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      Two men stand in a pool of gasoline. One man has 20 matches one has 5.

      The man with five matches gives up his matches under the promise that the man with 20 matches won’t hit him. A couple other men with matches at the edge of the pool of gasoline promise to uphold this agreement.

      20 years later the man with 20 matches takes the man who now has no matches’ arm. All the signatories let it slide because the man with 20 matches had a decent claim to the elbow. 10 years after that, the man with 20 matches tries to take the entirety of the man with no matches; the men with matches on the edge of the pool are afraid to do anything less matches get thrown back at them.

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    Personally, I feel like this is quite a level of escalation that I think is a bit too far for Canada. Nuclear proliferation is just incredibly risky, especially when it comes to normalizing the idea of more countries having nukes. If Canada gets nukes, then who are we to say that another country shouldn’t also get nukes? What if that country is Iran, or Turkey, or some other country that has a notably loose concept of restraint while being next doors to a hostile country?

    On the other hand, nuclear weapons is a form of protection that negates balance of conventional forces, and few imbalances are as great as that of Canada and the US.

    For me, I think that we shouldn’t get nukes, but a better idea is to help an existing nuclear power to reinforce their stockpile and come under their umbrella, like the UK or France. Canada is already one of the top uranium exporters and a major nuclear energy power, so there’s little reason why we can’t be a contributor to the building and maintenance of a friendly nation’s nuclear stockpile in exchange for their protection.

    Not to mention that it’ll cut back the risk of proliferation.

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      Nuclear proliferation is just incredibly risky

      You could argue, convincingly, that it’s incredibly risky not to.

      Ukraine.

      They made a deal with Russia to give up their nukes in exchange for Russia never invading them. Fast forward a handful of years and Russia invades them and they have no nukes as deterrent.

      We’re moving into a future where everyone is going to need nukes as a deterrent from being invaded.

      Sucks, but humans are stupid, violent animals.

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        22 hours ago

        Fun fact, the US also provided security assurances. (Budapest memorandum.) Those turned out well, right?

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      For sure. If we were to pursue nuclear armament – and I’m not saying we should – it would be in secret. Publicly withdrawing from NPT just paints a target on our backs well ahead of any possible benefit.