I truly do not understand how this bothers people. In other countries you have to prove who you are to vote. It’s ludicrous to me that there hasn’t been a requirement to prove who you are this whole time.
Trump is doing this to distract media attention from the biggest fuck-up of his administration so far, and there’s been a lot.
the biggest fuck-up of his administration so far
The biggest fuck-up of his administration this week.
His administration is a scandal factory.
They will fuck up and make a mess, and their solution is to make a bigger mess to distract from the one they just made.
What about the bigger mess? Well I guess they’ll just have to make an even bigger mess to cover that one up.
Rinse and repeat.Thus solving the problem once and for all!
So, what do you think, the biggest mess will be end of the Line? I for myself am betting on declaring war onto another Country. Or nuclear missiles. Whatever, we are fucked 🤷♂️
At this point I’m not sure that there is an end of the line.
This has been the case since he took office in 2017, we’re 8 years in now and every week he outdoes himself.
He kept creating scandal after scandal for 4 years when he wasn’t in office, and still got reelected.
This isn’t stopping until he’s room temperature. Hopefully the fact that he refuses to exercise, has an excess of presenting dementia symptoms, Eats McDonald’s for every meal, and has a stimulant addiction, catches up to him sooner rather than later.He’s powered by feces, hate and bitterness, he’s going to live to be 120 just to spite everyone with a conscience on this planet.
According to project 2025, the end of the line is martial law then full authoritarian dictatorship.
Yeah but Kamala brought Liz Cheney on stage, so…
Perhaps using Richard Cheney’s daughter to rebut the guy running for Unitary Executive was a mistake.
No, no, no. It was definitely just voters being stupid. I guess democracy was a mistake and we should have simply consolidated power under a more liberal dictatorship sooner.
Yeah, because I must think it was a good idea simply because I’m not stupid enough to use it as a reason to not vote for her. Another straw man from another “leftist” completely unwilling to accept reality.
Another straw man
Harris lost. She performed worse than the two other democrats who ran against Trump. That’s not a strawman, its a simple fact.
Perhaps you think it is a strawman to suggest she might have been responsible for her exceptionally poor performance?
My first thought too. The timing is just too perfect.
My second thought? This means that Trump’s team probably has executive orders just waiting in the wings, since they know how this all works. The only thing needed to supplant even awful news cycles are even worse news cycles.
My third thought? This means every time Team Trump royally messes up something, our only reward will be Team Trump doing something even worse, because it’s the only move they have, ever.
Until we’re all dead by their or our own hands, presumably.
Flood the zone with shit.
Well, destroying democracy is pretty distracting, so kudos, I guess.
That we know. That likely wasn’t the only signal chat group these idiots were using , and they probably still are.
of course not. if it were, there would be at least one person going “why are we using signal for this?” or at least “is this ok that we’re doing this over signal?”
they’re the most incompetent bunch of losers you could possibly bring together. I don’t think you could manage this is you put an ad on Craigslist for incompetent losers, or have a fucking dimwit convention.
The title of the chat implies to me that it’s just one of many “small groups”
Yes perhaps we should first require military communications required everyone involved be identified and verified, hmm?
Oh. Ok. I’ll sit down then. Not like he’d actually do anything this time.
Right?
It seems like the biggest military intelligence fuck up in recent memory. Not just his administration.
Other way around. He’s taking advantage of the distraction to make an order that - without hyperbole - could literally end democracy in the US.
“Papers, please!”
Welcome to the United States of Arstotzka
Cause no trouble.
Words you can hear. “Παπερσ”
And when that horn blows and you have to take out your rifle and blast’em.
Call your local & state officals about this. The federal government does not run elections. It’s the state and local officals that do even for federal office. They are the ones who chose to follow or not follow a blatantly illegal order
Trump is threatening to pull unrelated federal funding if they don’t, but he’s been pulling funding for many states anyways for zero reason. Make sure your local & state officals know you’ll have their back if they don’t bow down
The US system is so weird, federal elections are handled at a lower level of power and differently depending on which state you live in, it makes no sense. You guys need an independent body handling federal elections so everyone’s vote is handled the same way no matter where they live… And paper ballots, fucking hell you guys need to go back to paper ballots.
I think the states handling election in theory makes sense. It’s a decentralized system that is harder to undermine. An independent body may bring consistency, but I don’t think that helps at all in combatting Trump’s tampering.
Also, many states are using paper ballots and always have been.
Decentralization isn’t always better, it’s not as efficient and, in this case, it makes it so people’s ability to choose their president varies by state and in red states there’s scheming to prevent the Democrats from gaining ground.
With an independent body and equal access to voting for all, Trump wouldn’t have been elected in the first place.
You say it’s harder to undermine but it’s getting undermined while we don’t have issues like we see in the USA right next door in Canada.
The problem here isn’t efficiency though. Inefficiency I think is a reasonable trade off to make to prevent corruption at scale.
But there’s corruption and it’s inefficient… It takes days or weeks to get results in some states but not in others, some people simply don’t have access to a place to cast their vote to prevent them from voting for the “wrong” party…
I think you are coupling a centralized voting system with one that gives equal access, and I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Being a centralized system makes it consistent, but not necessarily fair.
An independent body could be easier to undermine (single point of attack), and be just as likely, if not more likely, to reduce voting access across the country all at once. I think we’d have corruption either way. The inefficiency of the decentralized system could be slowing it down.
I think you are looking at the system with hindsight and assuming that because the current system is suffering problems, that a different system wouldn’t suffer those same problems. I don’t think you can justify that conclusion
Call your local & state officals about this.
That’s cute.
Arm yourselves.
I think if we get through this, we’ll look back at this in horror… for about 60 years, and then we’ll have a crop of neo-trumpists because no one ever seems to learn anything.
Shall we sow stars on our clothes as well?
Only if you want them to sprout.
Pink triangles for the queer folk
If this isn’t your line for outright riots America then I struggle to think of what is.
Tik tok ban
Problem is, when the riots do eventually start, there will be no going back. One way or another this will be a completely different country in probably less than a year.
The bigger problem is when the riots start so does martial law. That is the final step according to project 2025.
good. let’s get this shit over with.
When we riot, they will crack down. At BEST it will be a civil war. This isn’t Europe. The US government can, will, and previously has mass-killed protesters. In the US, we can only riot when we are no longer afraid to die. And that’s a big ask of anyone at any time.
ThIs iSn’T EuroPe the French send grenades at the crowd idiot. You think they wont shoot the day their power is threatened
Here’s my general summary of why this is an issue: the US has been denying people the right to vote since day 1. You had to own land to vote in 1788. Half the country seceded and started a civil war that killed more of our citizens than any war since, over the right to own people. The 15th amendment was passed in 1870 to make it so you can’t deny Black people the right to vote, but places made it happen anyway. They made it so you had to pass a “literacy test” with intentionally ambiguous instructions, or pay a poll tax, or one of your grandparents had to have the ability to vote (afaik, the origin of the phrase “grandfathered in”).
These were all legal until the 1960s. Lots of people here have parents who were alive before legislation was passed to end Jim Crow. Without that, the racists that be turned to the War on Drugs, because lots of places take away your right to vote if you’ve been convicted of a felony. They started passing voter ID laws and closing down DMVs in areas with lots of black people and reducing their hours. A politician in Wisconsin bragged after the 2016 election that these laws here threw the state to Trump. They’ve also started banning giving food and water to people in line to vote and throwing out mail-in votes that show up after election day.
This isn’t about election security and it never has been; voter fraud has never changed an election in the country’s history. The real election fraud is in suppressing people’s votes and fucking with voting machines (2004) and having allies in positions of power to throw the election your way (2000). There’s more than that too, but it’s a tangent.
I mean I would argue the whole system of having to show up in person to a place to vote on a non-holiday day and wait in a long line is in of itself a way to stop poorer people from voting. I’ve lived in a state with only mail in voting for my whole life and as result we have some of the highest voter turn out. It makes sense the Republicans want to do everything they can to to alter that as the harder they make it for poorer people to vote the better their odds of winning are.
100% agreed
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Constitution leaves the matter of election of electors to the states.
The voter stealer wants fix elections to prevent further vote thefts. Irony.
I feel the hypocrisy is over their heads. But it is on brand with same party. Read about Abbott
Less of an overhaul, more of a keelhaul
Hear we go guys. Hold the line!
Huh? We are presented with a choice between doing something and the end of democracy. Way I see it, its the system’s fault for putting bad choices in front of me, and the choices are, uh… equivalent, according to my internet sources. Maybe I’ll sit it out again.
/s for the gifted triggered ones
Gonna be proof of Republican Party soon
What are elections for if not selecting your favorite republican ^/s^
If you want to go full dystopian…
Party assigned at birth (PAAB) based on family, ethnicity, economic background, and other social factors present when the child is born. PAAB designation must be present on ID, birth certificate, and citizenship at all times. Any attempt to hide or misrepresent PAAB will be considered felony fraud pending investigations into any extremist relations contributing to the offense. PAAB may only be changed by government application via relocation and re-education facilities. Following the abolition of the US voting system, government representatives will be automatically chosen based on majority PAAB demographic.
/s
guns
Held by whom? Pointed at whom?
the people the fascists
In western states, quite a few of the people are the fascists. Quite a few more are sympathetic to fascists. And those who work forces are regularly the ones who burn crosses.
“If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
― Malcolm X
Needless to say, we live in a nation full of uncareful people.
i’m pretty sure any society that truly wanted to fix itself would require a pretty large purge.
DOGE is a purge, of sorts. I don’t think its fixing things.
we have to stop making goose and gander comparisons. they’re sociopaths. we’re the good guys. it’s ok when the good guys do it.
they’re sociopaths. we’re the good guys
They’re sociopaths, certainly. But they’re sociopaths who the liberal faction seem content (perhaps even eager) to roll over for.
I don’t see many good guys. Only the bad and the ugly.
then comes proof of ethnicity or something
Land ownership
wouldn’t put it past them to do that. a big hurdle that keeps getting taller.
