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      14 hours ago

      If you watch the video, he discusses how Capitalism has moved away from the traditional definition as private ownership is stripped away from everyone participating in Capitalism.

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        Firstly, capital is still owned privately and the capitalists who have capital still dominate everything so that have not changed. Secondly, when have “everyone” been owning capital in America? The wealth of America have been concentrated in the hand of a small oligarch of capitalist since day one and that also have not changed. So the whole notion of capitalism ending is just delusional. That’s also some highly misleading definition of capitalism that’s entirely outside what Marx and other communist have defined. “Capitalism” is when the people have capital? What a joke 🤣

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      13 hours ago

      Never intended by whom? There’s no immortal, unseen planner behind the 400+ years of capitalism’s historical unfolding.

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      people don’t seem to understand that the profit motive has never been the driving force of capitalism.

      capitalism is at it’s most base level is just private property rights and it still works exceptionally well.

      the lie that was sold to the public may be dying but capitalism isn’t going anywhere.

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        people don’t seem to understand that the profit motive has never been the driving force of capitalism.

        Is this a joke?

        The M-C-M’ profit motive is self-evidently the driving force. Just ask literally any member of the capitalist class.

        capitalism is at it’s most base level is just private property rights and it still works exceptionally well.

        Yes, and not just any kind of property, but specifically the means of production. And it does work well, but not for everyone, specifically for the bourgeoisie, who are the ones who own said private property. It doesn’t work well for the proletariat, and it works less and less well for them as private ownership continues to consolidate to a smaller and smaller circle of wealthier & more powerful billionaire oligarchs.

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          Why would a system that cares about profit hire middle managers?

          it’s the power struggle. always has been. the implication is always that the system is working for those in power or it would be changed.

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            Have you never worked for a corporation? Yes some middle management is useless but there is always the one guy that’s actually doing beneficial things. Besides you need a layer of slaves under your upper management so that you can do illegal things without repercussions and just fire some middle management. That’s all capitalism is, 100% profit seeking

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            Why would a system that cares about profit hire middle managers?

            Obviously because the company owners believe that hiring those middle managers will increase profits. This is like Business 101-level stuff.

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        Sorry? Are you part of the ruling class that’s murdering American Capitalism? Because yeah, they are pretty organized.

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          the ruling class is as good as ever. where do you think our lack of money is going? why do you think they are doing this stuff to us?

          we are experiencing capitalism as intended. its not dying its just bad and doesnt feel the need to hide it anymore like they did briefly the last few decades.

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            Okay, and? Doesn’t change the fact that they’re murdering the current system to replace it with something far more dangerous.

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              i edited my comment after you responded, before i noticed that you did.

              i argue that this is capitalism working as intended. its just that they don’t feel like hiding it anymore. if we just wait and let it collapse it might as well bring the literal habitability of the planet down with it. the burgeoise does not seem to want to stray from this path. the us empire is indeed collapsing, however.

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                  see what i mean is thats not sabotage, its neither. thats just squeezing more out of us, poors are getting poorer. the people on the reigns are slightly less dumb than they look.