no need to write an essay or anything
some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don’t know what’s serious and what’s irony
every american president is a war criminal and should be dug up and tried posthumously for their crimes against humanity
Not from hexbear, but no, of course they don’t. I would wager that you would have a very hard time finding anyone on hexbear or lemmygrad that has anything but contempt for all US presidents. A bunch of monsters, the lot of them.
I see Lincoln as being a lot like Lenin, a problematic figure who ultimately oversaw an important and mostly liberatory project
Lincoln has just been whitewashed all to hell. He didn’t free the slaves out of any moral reason. It was just a good piece of propaganda, and he was really just railroaded into it.
I would also like to point you to Lincoln’s military service and the largest mass execution in US history. Their crime? Not starving to death. He’s just as much of a genocidal scumbag as the rest of them.
*stares in transgender*
Give me five minutes alone with Trump and a serrated butter knife
People just like making fun of the way he exposes the hollowness of liberal institutions.
But in reality I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.
But in reality I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.
This triggered some neurons. Remember that allegation that Trump once stayed at the same hotel and room in Moscow that Obama once stayed in and he paid two sex workers to urinate on the bed?
Seems like a lifetime ago.
he is swamp-ass incarnate, our big wet sloppy pissboy, may he one day have a heart attack on live TV. he’s not the guy we need, he’s the presinald the US deserves.for context I am a taxpaying US citizen (Death to America).
I will personally ban anyone who unironically supports Trump. Supporting hardcore reactionaries is reactionary behavior and not allowed.
But, I think we enjoy, in a sort of dark humor way, the ways that he spotlights the contradictions and flaws in our system. There’s also an almost incredulous hilarity to the things he is coincidentally right about sometimes, like making American foreign policy less hawkish.
Also he is the beginning and end of the argument for American superiority.
He never will have not been president and that hilarious, it delegitimizes the office and the fact he was elected let alone the fact he’s still a leading candidate really highlights how much this country sucks.
I think everyone has cleared up that we don’t actually like Trump. We hate all US presidents. But i wanted to explore a real split that happened when he got elected between people who are still libs, and people like me who were libs but reevaluated my received ideology, in large part due to his election.
Trump getting elected completely invalidates everything libs believe about this country. Myth of meritocracy, shattered. The belief that the “good republicans” will come back, the faith in the electoral system, etc.smashed.
When something like that happens, a real thing happens that invalidates your world view, your ideology, there’s two ways it can go. One way is reevaluating those beliefs, and the other is doubling down on them.
To double down, you have to view the real thing that happened as an abberation. It can’t be integrated into your worldview it has to be refuted. So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, “well maybe he won’t take office, the electors could save us”. They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. “If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!” And they needed nothing to be wrong with the electoral process, because its the only mechanism they have that allows them to believe this is a democracy. Of course, then theres a series of things, the Mueller report/Mueller worship, the hollow ceremony of impeachment.
If you reevalute the system, you integrate reality. You realize that Trump is not an aberation. Trump is the norm, just far more grotesque. Every president is a war criminal whose purpose is to further an imperialist, white supremacist world order. It doesn’t matter if they are civil, or have “merit” (whatever that means), or if they’re the first black president. They’re the figurehead of global system of exploitation.
For me personally, i hadn’t become a communist yet, and Trump winning was something that made it clear that the recieved ideology i was operating under was clearly wrong and had to be evaluated. At some point, and for whatever reason people who become communists, or anarchists, or whatever left tendency from the starting position of received American ideology have to reevaluate the world from usually a combination of catalysts.
I think a lot of this shows why theres so much acrimony between us and libs. We invalidate their world view. The thing that allows them to believe they live in a democracy, one that is more democratic than other nations, and freer (libs may except other western nations as free, or even superior, but they chauvanistically know they are better and freer than the global south or any AES).
And many of us are frustrated because we already know what they believe is wrong, because many of us believed it! And we learned it was wrong by integrating the realities we’ve witnessed into our understanding of the world.
That’s probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don’t share the view that he’s an aberration, or uniquely bad. He’s just a republican. And they can’t accept that
Excellent post.
This is exactly why, throughout the entire Trump presidency, liberals repeated to themselves, to their family, friends coworkers, to their Twitter followers: THIS IS NOT NORMAL. It was a mantra for 4 years. It perfectly represents their struggle through the cognitive dissonance of reconciling Donald Trump being the “Leader of the Free World” just as much as Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson, or Franklin D. Roosevelt.
The question they never could answer satisfyingly is “If this is not normal, how did normal lead us here?” Answering this question definitively inevitably leads to socialist critiques and conclusions. Instead they retreated into the elitism of disdain for “populism” and the idiot masses, while simultaneously claiming to defend “democracy” even though they clearly don’t like its actual practice and results. Or, they retreated into the paranoia of a foreign conspiracy, since a foreign nation can be irredeemably evil but never our own, while completely overlooking that Trump mostly did as the Blob (as Obama called it) wanted. He was of absolutely no benefit to any supposed backers, even if they really did support him. And it stands to reason that if they could have rigged it successfully the first time, why wouldn’t it have worked the second time? It should have only gotten easier to rig things with a puppet in charge than with a meaningfully independent Democrat in charge. All of their answers were and are a mess of contradictions.
I was like you too. Recognizing that this madness was normal and continues to proceed just fine without Trump at its head is exactly what showed me that I am not a liberal. I would have hoped it would have enough for most people. Maybe we need Mecha Hitler III to be elected via Supreme Court decision before most liberals jump ship.
Thanks, and i appreciate what you’ve added here comrade.
Particularly about their retreat into elitism and anti-populism. You see this manifest strongly when theres a disaster in a so-called red state, and all the libs just say they deserve it, as if everyone living there is what they imagine republican voters to be: stupid, lower class, rednecks, whatever libs are calling them these days. They never imagine that the average republican voter and average Trump supporter is petty boug, is as affluent as they are if not more, and of the same class or higher. And those peoole aren’t the ones hurt when the grid goes down in Texas. The peoole most likely to be hurt are the people they pay lip service to caring about.
Chapo had it right when they said that the really poor by and large just don’t vote. From liberals’ perspective that’s the same thing as voting Republican in effect, but they don’t reflect on being resented for this snobbish disapproval and political entitlement, which costs them elections.
So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, “well maybe he won’t take office, the electors could save us”. They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. “If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!”
I went through most of those steps, but already knowing our electoral system was at the very least bad because of math. So after a few rounds of cognitive dissonance I had to reevaluate.
That’s probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don’t share the view that he’s an aberration, or uniquely bad. He’s just a republican. And they can’t accept that
I think the most revealing thing to ask a lib is who was worse,
or 
. The sheer body count difference, there’s no way a kind, non-fascist person could ever think it’s even close.It’s absolutelty the best test.
Trump winning the election almost immediately rehabilitated Bush for libs. Which is all about optics and civility bullshit.
Why they think the deaths of something like 2 million Iraqis is more civil than a grotesque TV show host being gross - now that’s what’s interesting!
The deaths and displacement of millions ot Iraqis and Afghans are not an affront to their ideology. That does little or nothing to their fundamental beliefs and assumptions about America. But a grotesque, an “unqualified” reality TV star, a con man becoming President, and then having the audacity to be “unpresidential” - to disrespect the office - that to libs is real shit. That shakes their belief system to the core. That’s the only calculus that makes Bush better than Trump
:this: is a great post
thanks comrade
Trump is a grotesque monster, but he’s hated by libs not for vile actions, but because he was rude. We don’t value civility here, so we can laugh at him when he’s funny, but he and every living American president deserves to be tried in The Hague
See, this is why I don’t trust y’all. How can you pretend to be leftist when to you the fundamental difference between Trump and any other political administration is literally just that he’s rude.
How is it that nothing else, from the rights of workers and of oppressed minorities to the protection of the environment to access to health care and education, means anything?
If none of that means anything more than being rude or not, you’re not a leftist. You’re a cosplayer.
Here’s one more difference between trump and other presidents: he was less harmful than bush and probably Clinton and Obama. Clinton was responsible for turning the Democratic Party into the neoliberal garbage it is now, bush killed hundreds of thousands of people and devastated multiple countries, and Obama oversaw one of the greatest transfers of wealth from the poorest to the richest the world has ever seen
also what Obama/Clinton did in Libya is an unspeakably horrifying crime. just thinking about it makes me shake with rage. also Yemen.
Absolutely. All of them have so much blood on their hands and I will celebrate their deaths with glee. It will be a small pleasure compared to the countless lives they extinguished and cast into poverty but it’s all I can expect when it comes these monster
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Not you @Civility@hexbear.net, we love you
As a European (but not the cringe zone), I unironically support the dang cheeto in his noble pursuit of destroying Amerikkka
Unironically, I think Trump was much better for Europe and the world. Unlike the presidents before and after him, he didn’t initiate new wars. He was simply a humorously inept administrator of American decline. In terms of internal politics and policy, Biden is continuing much of what Trump started (such as confronting China, immigration policies, etc); the rest of the political theater is just what it appears to be – a theater. The disparity between Trump and Biden isn’t as substantial as the mainstream press suggests, nor as significant as the zealous followers of both camps believe.
tl;dr:
Trump is one of the best US presidents for the world but he did almost start a war with Iran after the Soleimani assassination
