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We need to stop eating beef. The fact that no one thinks that if they stop eating beef they won’t have any effect is disturbing as fuck. If everyone stops eating beef then the industry will collapse.
The fact that I don’t see this graph more often is annoying, I hate having to keep bringing this up, someone else share this for fucks sake please.
Seriously. Animal agriculture needs to end and not exist whether we live in a capitalist dystopia or communist utopia, for the environment and for the sake of all sentient beings
The fact that you and I got downvotes just speaks massive volumes. We might not make it as a species because we have so many individuals who think it doesn’t matter either way. WE ALL PLAY A FUCKING ROLE, TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR DECISIONS IN YOUR LIFE TIME.
If the people that exclusively eat meat just reduces to a few times a week would do wonders.
Also concerning how many tons of beef products I’ve tossed due to mold in food production. Large-scale manufacturing has so many holes we could fill if only it was profitable for the companies to do so.
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I only eat Chicken and meat substitutes like Beyond meat. The problem is that greenhouses also produce a worrying amount of carbon and ramping that up could have similar effects.
I think you misunderstood this graph. This is per kilogram of food product. It has nothing to do with scale, it’s a ratio.
I think you misunderstood my comment. I’m saying that as we transition away from meat products into meat substitutes, actual greenhouses will start producing more carbon emissions and simply replace the beef industry rather than amend it entirely. The systems used to regulate greenhouses are unfortunately contributing to the problem they were meant to solve.
Take a fricken win, geez.
Yes. Thank you. I won’t starve, only my kids will. Whew, dodged that one.
I’ve said it once and I’ll repeat it until I’m dead.
The only good green energy is nuclear and Cherenkov radiation is blue. Give me blue energy. We’ve advanced to the point it’s not only a good idea it might be the best one we have.
Third- and fourth-gen nuclear and renewables.
Its not really a win until life is sustainable.
Genuinely asking, is complacency the right word in this context?
But-- if you stop deforestation, rapid growth and poor working conditions for low-paid labourers, the economy will slow and I might have to invest more of my personal time in farming, instead of enjoying my farming sim!
I mean, we’re already headed for ecological disaster no matter what we do, so don’t make the mistake of over-promising. It cannot be avoided, but negative impacts could be greatly reduced.
I agree. As a metaphor, we have to fix the foundation or the house is destined to collapse. Don’t get me wrong, clean energy is an important step. I approve of people trying to help, even if that attempt may unfortunately be rooted in personal greed. The problem is people are using that help to obfuscate the root issues, which are hierarchy and capitalism. Ignorance isn’t bliss. It’s death.
Downvoting for the ‘tip us into ecological disaster’.
Please anyone correct me if I’m wrong but from what I understand clean energy will slow that disaster down, not tip us into it.
Hmm? The text says that a growth-obsessed economy will tip is into ecological disaster, which is true.
Seems fine to me. It says that it’s the growth obsessed economy part that’s doing the tipping. The word “still” is being used in its adveb sense to mean that the transition to green energy won’t be enough to stop that tipping on its own.
Clean energy is able to somewhat solve the problems of fossil fuel. However they do not solve other environmental problems like a massive crisis in soil depletion from industrial agriculture, over fishing, pesticides and many other things destroying biodiversity and so forth. The only way we can solve those is by using earths resources better. Since economic growth and resource consumption are linked, that means we have no chance of solving those problems, if we continue to grow our economy no matter what. That is also true for the climate crisis, but clean energy helps.
“clean energy” . . . :)
this idea of “clean” electricity seems to makes people think they can use as much electricity as they like even when its marginally all generated with gas or coal…Like a 30-50% “clean” grid can magically double in capacity to accomodate every cnts tesla charging and new heating loads without more fossil fuel gen.
“oh that doesn’t matter it will be 100% renewable soon.”
" oh what no, I didn’t mean you can build a nuclear powerstation there, can’t they build it in india or china or africa and ship the power to us?"
“no matter, we’ll invent cold fusion soon”The difference between average vs marginal generation is something that a lot of electricity proselytes want to handwave away in order to keep selling energy intensive lifestyle and aspirations.
Its much harder to sell people a modest life, or a lower energy inensity - or a lower population density.
You want high population density as it makes sharing resources easier. The per capita emissions of a Londoner are at 3.3t. However UK is at 6t.
Also some processes make sense to be moved to the grid, even when they increase electricity generation. EVs are lower emissions then a petrol engine, even with coal electricity.
Otherwise a decrease in consumption is key. However only to a level, where we can provide the basics for everybody. Right now that means we also need more green tech.
not globally
Lithium and Cobalt are still primarily mined via slave labor.
Green energy is still blood-soaked colonialism.
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Thanks to our current economic system. At least slave labor is not a problem of the technology itself.
yes!
Sustainability is absolutely impossible to achieve through capitalism, even if you instantly murder most all of the population, because of the very nature of how it views growth. It sees accumulation as being over wisdom and health, when it even considers the latter to be growth at all. Population is the way it is because of capitalism. Worse yet, we as a species are forced to do unethical reduction through war/murder/whatever if nature doesn’t take care of it for us, because of this “need” for constant accumulation. It’s a bad system. Don’t hate the player if you aren’t going to hate the game.
