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  • bostonbananarama@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    But both can be reasons for different treatment and in that one particular feature, they are the same, thus the sound analogy.

    No, sorry, it remains terrible. In the same way stealing a candy bar and murder aren’t analogous simply because they’re both illegal. Although, at least in that analogy both would always be illegal. In your analogy, disparate treatment based on age can often be valid and permissible, well disparate treatment on race can never be.

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      Age: can be a reason? Yes. Race: can be a reason? Yes.

      In their can-it-be-a-reason property, they are identical - both can be reasons.

      I honestly don’t care whether they are good reasons or bad reasons each, you’re mostly right in that discussion, but that is not part of this discussion.

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        Smell: yes. Height: yes. Hair style: yes. Food choice: yes. Suit color: yes. Religion: yes. Party: yes. Education: yes. Speaking style: yes. Gender: yes. Handedness: yes. Weight: yes. Place of birth: yes. Sports team affiliation: yes. Personality: yes. Previous employment: yes. Name: yes. Ethnicity: yes.

        ^^^ They all fit as well as yours, since they can-be-a-resson. TERRIBLE ANALOGY! The only connection is so broad that a thousand other things can apply in the same way.

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          Okay, let’s go through the checklist:

          Is age a possible criterion one can base the decision to treat someone differently on? Yes. Is this true for race? Also true. One can conceivably treat others differently due to their race.

          Do such different treatments have specific names? Yes, age discrimination in one case, racism in the other.

          Are there laws in place that forbid treating others differently due to their age in certain contexts? Yes, in the workplace for example, that is illegal. Are there laws in place that make treating others differently due to their race illegal? Yes, there are multiple contexts, where that is illegal.

          Are there contexts where one can definitely make decisions based on race? Yes, absolutely - for example one can choose to not vote for a candidate due to their race (it’s an absolutely irrational dick move, but no authority will sanction that decision). Can one consider age a disqualifying factor in certain decisions like for example voting, dating, etc too? Yes absolutely.

          I don’t see how that analogy is lacking in any way, except that the range of laws declaring each illegal differs, but you may not find another factor that has the exact same range of situations covered. What would you consider a better analogy that ticks all these boxes?

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            1 year ago

            I don’t see how that analogy is lacking in any way

            That’s your problem. I can explain it to you, but I can’t make you understand it. The closer the analogy tracks to the original statement the better the analogy. The fact that race and age are two criterion that a decision can be based is extremely weak. To point this out I named a dozen or more things that you could base a decision on.

            I’ve never stated that those aren’t two things you can base a decision on, but you continue to explain that point over and over again anyway. Race doesn’t track closely enough to age, an example of that is that age can often be a permissible reason to differentiate, but race never is. Ergo, bad analogy.

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              1 year ago

              Well, then how about you read the other points that supplement that one factor sufficiently and explain that

              example of that is that age can often be a permissible reason to differentiate, but race never is.

              you are wrong in this regard.