Reminds me of the old joke “what’s the difference between libertarians and republicans? Libertarians know the legal age of consent in all 50 states”
This trope and this meme are lame and wrong. You people have a ridiculous idea about Libertarians that is nothing but plain prejudice.
I encourage anyone to prove me wrong by reading this Libertarian Party Platform document. Please point out anything about age of consent that is included in the Libertarian platform.
Additionally, prove me wrong by showing any example of a Libertarian party member stating support for adults abusing children in the manner alluded to in this prejudiced meme / trope.
EDIT: Downvotes don’t prove anything folks. I issued a challenge here - is nobody going to prove me wrong?
Heh. Somebody got offended by a joke
No I am offended by the prejudice behind the joke. It’s as bad as Trumptards and Qanon morons calling Democrats pedos.
Probably not a great idea to alienate the Independent type voters ahead of important elections as well. Democrats / Leftists / whatever you are should be courting the votes of those who are not-Republicans rather than driving more division.
I can’t imagine willingly telling people I was a libertarian in the internet.
Can you imagine being content in life and not caring what Internet nerds think about anything? No? Too bad for you. That’s my reality.
Liberty is the most important value/concept to uphold in society and politics, therefore the Libertarian party is the best overall choice to support. Anyone who proposes to reduce liberty for the citizens of America automatically loses my support.
My ethics are clear and I’m proud of my voting record, no matter what you or anyone else thinks. Proudly supporting freedom should be applauded rather than mocked. So it’s actually you who should be ashamed for attempting to suppress our freedom with your prejudiced garbage.
I brought this up yesterday, and I’m not even a libertarian. I just have working eyes and those muscles between them run decent enough too. The ideology of libertarianism is so harmful to the corporations that run this country that it had to be astroturfed into the thought terminator cliche of “libertarian = pedo” amongst an entire new generation. They destroyed Occupy WallSt in a different but similar way, by infiltrating all the influential OWS groups and making identity politics a core tenant (if you’re white, shut up because your opinions are worthless - thought terminator cliche so ‘in your face obvious’ that they’re promoting exactly what they’re supposedly fighting against, but most were taken in anyway) - here’s a video of it in action from 2011.
https://lemmy.world/comment/5139983
The corporations that run this country love youth internet addiction. There’s never been an easier time in history to spread or destroy a movement simply by spending money. You don’t even need a puppet. It’s the ultimate power.
Wow I didn’t realize that happened with OWS. I just remember being disappointed that the movement fizzled out.
Divide and conquer is a well-known strategy, used endlessly by the brainwashers
WHOOOOOOOOSH
Buddy, the definition of libertarian differs greatly from what your ilk discusses online.
Absolute bullshit. You are making up your own prejudiced definition, even after I provided a link to the party platform that LITERALLY defines the political stance.
In other words, you can’t prove me wrong, so you move the goalposts.
There’s one more group that would make this argument……
Only one? I’m stuck between the US court system and Mormons looking for a wife but I guess Republican Congressmen’s Dating Pool is also a possibility.
What about the Catholics? The age of consent is 12 years in Vatican City
So easy to Google that it’s 18…
Liberals in a worker shortage
What fantasy world are you living in? So dumb…
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Red states. What part of that isn’t clear?
You’re replying to a hexbear user. When they use the label “Liberals” it includes the folks you immediately think of but it also includes conservatives., as in economic liberalism.
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Yes they’re all liberals. That’s what I said. The guy was like ‘where blue states I thought you said libral’ and so I had to clarify that in this context the word applies to both not just blue.
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Any legislator can introduce a bill, so “blue” and “red” don’t really indicate much. You have to look at who is sponsoring the bill. In Minnesota, that is Republicans and it’s going nowhere. In New Jersey, that’s Democrats and it got into law.
~This dude don’t know bout liberals~
Much like Obomba taught us, that part in the middle of the meme that looks like says 12 year old is pronounced “Military age male”.
Ah yes, the Drone King, first liberal saint of Genocide.
first liberal saint of Genocide.
Thought that was Churchill
Nah, that’s their first pope
Libertarians are like liberty to cherry pick lucrative bits of capitalism but same level of kick the ladder fuck you I got mine as regular Republicans.
What libertarian said what to make you think that?
I think government only works when it has the power to militarily dominate any competing force.
I’ll take Yikes! for 100, Alex
Fuck, marry, kill: Degen edition
Libertarians
Fascists
The IDF
Like Hasan said “It’s all liberalism at the end of the day”
Who actually hates themselves enough to watch Hasan Piker? Not only is he an idiot, but he’s also cringe beyond hope
Not that I’m outright disagreeing with you, but in what way is he an idiot? He went to Rutgers and has been a pundit for a decade. He knows his shit when it comes to history as well.
He’s been essentially lying and scamming young gullible people for personal gain. He rants and supports a failed murderous ideology that he doesn’t even believe in while also being a hotspot for misinformation. His hypocrisy and lack of ethics make him a vile person.
Well there’s also Hasan Minhaj but I don’t think he said that.
…“Someone shot an RPG at us from the upper top window of the building across the road, requesting air support, over…” …“They’re setting up another RPG, over…” …“Ah never mind, it’s a minor. We’ll just hope he continues to miss us”
I do not understand this meme.
Considering people under 18 children is exaggerating, 13 (or whenever you hit puberty) is about the age when people can get a job, get married, and fight in war if it weren’t for society brainwashing and labeling them as children, history is with me on this one.
We’ve got one
In many countries minors (<18) can be in military service. In Israel and the US it is from 17 years. Why should exactly HAMAS in a population with about half children (persons under 18 years) make a difference?
A child who just started puberty is about the same as one who has not yet started puberty except for menstruation in the case of girls.
get married
Shit, I missed this one. Never mind, you’re just a pedo.
Wanting to marry 13 year olds says more about you than about them.
I am not encouraging 13 year olds - or people of any age - to marry people outside their age group, I think that’s wrong under normal circumstances.
Edit: considering how fast people grow at the age of 13 their age group would be… 14 Year olds max I guess?
Edit 2: duo to how the laws of a nation cover a very wide range of people, I think we should - for the purposes of law - go the safe route and give these rights at 16, if nations normalize 16 year olds having sex then allowing marriage should be a no brainer.
Also someone else mentioned alchohol so I have to elaborate, in my perfect country, alcohol would be banned in all its - non medical - forms regardless of age.
Edit 3 : I have no idea what would qualify as an “abnormal circumstance” before anyone asks.
Edit 4 : I think porn should be banned in all its forms as well before anyone asks.
Edit 5 : I just googled IDF and libertarians and understood the meme, I just saw “12 year olds are not children” and decided to share an opinion that I still hold.
Edit 6 : If you think about it in the context of restructuring society in the way I want it to be - which isn’t detailed in this comment - it sounds like a really good idea, but sadly society is corrupted and almost beyond repair.
So you agree with sexualising children as long as they’re being paired together??? But only 16 at which point it should be ‘normalised’?? This whole ‘opinion’ is disgusting.
I don’t expect many to agree, as my opinion is based on me not considering 13 and 14 Year olds children, what is really the difference between 16 - again, to be on the safe side - year olds and 18 year olds that give the latter that much more freedom?
Also I despise pre marriage sex if that adds anything to the conversation.
Adding that you want to bang children but only once a priest gives you ownership does not make it better no. Why on earth would you think it would? Gross.
Who said I want to?
Your second paragraph perfectly explains the first. Good self-expression.
People like you is why I don’t and shall never miss using reddit
I’m not with this guy
i don’t know anybody who has gotten married or fought in a war before the age of 18. we don’t even let people drink or smoke until 21.
history is with me on this one.
you seem like the kind of person who is OK with saying only white men should be allowed to own land or vote
Some of you guys have really warped definitions of libertarianism…
Perhaps some facets of libertarianism are really fucked up?
Slavery and child porn are debated by libertarians because the only way to address both is centralized government. However, since most (though not all) libertarians are opposed to any central government, they end up justifying with “well if you want to sell yourself as a slave, why should anyone stop you?”.
But yeah, obviously it’s us that are aware of this who are the fucked up ones.
Pretty sure the libertarian stance on slavery is that it is wrong, given the lack of liberty that slaves have. And the fact you can use a government to ensure nobody gets enslaved demonstrates the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist.
The maximum amount of personal liberty does not come from zero government. It comes from having enough government to prevent people from enslaving other people.
Pretty sure the libertarian stance on slavery is that it is wrong
Libertarians are VERY individualistic (shocker) which means no 2 libertarians define libertarianism the same way.
HOWEVER, you literally just have to search for “slavery libertarian” in the google box to find all sorts of fairly high profile libertarians arguing about how slavery can actually be a good thing that we should allow.
For example, from Walter Block: http://www.kspjournals.org/index.php/JEST/article/view/346
You didn’t read the article you linked. In it Walter Block states that slavery violates the non-aggression-principle and is not permissible under libertarianism.
Let us now double down. Previously (Block 2005; 2013) wrote that slavery, in the absence of violence, compulsion, NAP violation was ―not so bad.‖ That was a poor choice of words. It was an inaccurate understatement. The truth of the matter is that under these conditions ―slavery‖ would be a positive good. There, I said it. I will say it again: ―Slavery‖ would be a positive good, under these conditions. Make of that what you will, New York Times and other enemies of freedom and logic. But note that when I assert that ―slavery‖ would be a benefit, two things occurred. First, I placed quote marks (―‖) around the word ―slavery‖ and second I mentioned that under these conditions it would be beneficial. I did not say, and I entirely reject the notion that slavery as actually practiced was anything other than a disgrace, a stark horrid evil. It is my view that the movies ―Django Unchained,‖ ―Twelve Years a Slave,‖ and the television series ―Roots‖ are roughly accurate depictions of this monstrous practice
What do you think he’s saying here?
The only slavery I can think of without compulsion would be some kind of BDSM relationship, so he’s technically correct it’s no problem in that scenario.
Aside from any kind of roleplay, slavery involves compulsion. Slavery without compulsion is like an apple without fruit.
This is not at all a debate in libertarianism. Libertarians recognize the role of a limited small government to protect individual rights. Like please pull up one example of this debate going on in a libertarian space.
Libertarians don’t believe murder should be legal and crazy shit like that. Libertarians believe in a guaranteed freedoms like freedom of speech, economic liberalism and are often social progressives who believe in gay marriage and drug legalization.
I’d argue pedophilia can be to some degree be addressed with proper mental healthcare.
I’m curious what the downvotes are for… Are they saying there’s no helping them or even the thought of helping them is bad?
Of literally all the kinds of people in the world with all the kinds of mental issues they could have, I’ve never seen more vicious hatred of a group than pedophiles. Not to defend them, but it could be as simple as having a sexual attraction but literally never acting on it, yet still I see “kill them, drag them by their genitals, let dogs eat them alive and pee on them” etc… that kind of absolute dehumanizing hatred. Even the sociopaths that are literally destroying the world get by with less violent hatred.
Again, not defending pedophiles, I just think that if it’s an issue of mental help then they should be helped, not hunted.
The implication of sexual attraction being a mental health issue is fraught.
Before you let someone drag you down that slope it’s important include consent. Someone underage can’t consent to you dipping your balls in their mouth. Same for peanut butter and your pet.
Folks like to conflate pedo and by extension homo and trans as a mental health issue. Then they try to make an argument about how a trans teen can’t consent to gender care because they’re underage. As if fucking a kid is the same as a kid saying they need help.
The “pedo and mental health” comment smells like this kind of bait. It doesn’t look exactly like a Nazi, but it kinda smells like one.
I definitely understand what you’re saying, but there have to be people who find children attractive but don’t act on it so consent isn’t really the issue there, but we still have the problem of how society sees those people and the possibility of the mental anguish those people must feel. I can’t imagine what it must feel like to be “the worst human trash in the history of the world” while also not behaving in that way. :(
I guess it’s more of a “them” problem as they aren’t acting on their attractions, maybe society shouldn’t be involved in that one? I don’t know… It just bothers me when I see that kind of hatred when there’s no way 100% of pedophiles actually act on their attractions.
Quick reminder of the thread so far.
Dark humor shitpost about liberts and idf saying 12 yr olds aren’t kids.
Mild honest defense of libertarianism that either misunderstood or is gleefully playing straight in a shit post about dead kids.
A dog whistle about pedo healthcare.
Your thoughtful question.
Me honestly answering it with a dash of pissposting.
You asking about the hypothetical ideal innocent pedo and now I’m wondering if you’re shitposting too and I fell for it.
No definitely not shit posting lol sorry if it seemed that way.
I didn’t want to really reveal anything, but this is a personal thing as I know someone who is in this situation. And no I’m not reporting them, that’s not only a literal death sentence for them but I’ve known this person long enough to know they’d never hurt anyone. They opened up about seeing pictures when we were drunk a long time ago and so it bothers me when I see the hatred because I think of my friend so I’m just getting a feel for what people think.
This is a textbook case of ideological reasoning.
Instead of reasoning that X is true or false based on evidence that it’s true or false, one reasons that X must be false because if it were true it might encourage thinking Y, where Y is unacceptable.
Literally the definition of ideologically-motivated reasoning.
I like that we’re getting into debate and philosophy in a shitpost.
There’s this idea that valuable discourse only belongs at universities and in lofty state office. I say it’s here in the shit that we’re shaping tomorrow’s culture.
I’m a civil engineer. My primary value to society is my ability to handle shit.
I’m classifing pedophilia as a mental illness yes but transexuality and homosexuality is of course not. When I stated pedophillia I meant the sole attraction to children alone not actions that’s immoral and a crime. I want pedophiles to be able to address this early on and be able to seek treatment.
Also, what does my comment have to do with nazism at all? I am lib-left. “Smells like one”? For suggesting pedophiles should get mental help? Forgive me but is this a serious accusation or a joke that went past my head entirely?
Can be addressed with assassination politics aimed at slavers and child abusers.
We can solve [crime against humanity] by [commiting crime against humanity]
That’s literally just a government lol
But without the monopoly on killing slavers and child abusers.
Yeah, you gotta take some risks. There’s no magical fix to bad shit. We just do our best and try to do better.
You think it’s a crime against humanity to kill a slaver?
It is a crime against humanity to willingly take a life, no matter how vile the person
Very nice of you to link that, I don’t see how this disproves my opinion, as murder is still mentioned on multiple occasions
“assassination” is the crime against humanity, although pretty sure it’s “only just” a war crime. Although when not carried out by a govt agent, since we’re talking a hypothetical libertarian society and solution, IDK if 8t can be called that.
Why do you believe that killing (or whatever we call it) a slaver is either a crime against humanity or a war crime?
Yeah, libertarians acknowledge that 12 year olds are children, they just also want to fuck children.
Can you link to a libertarian saying that?
Found the libertarian.
Nathan Larson was a libertarian- no need to spin up narratives when it sets itself up, nice try though.
I mean, if libertarians didn’t openly discuss the age of consent and the differences between pedophilia and ephebephilia, maybe people wouldn’t think they’re all a bunch of pedos.
To be fair, we make fun of ourselves in this regard.
