The Best Ways to Stand Up to your Bully
- Just give him your lunch money. It is one of the easiest ways to stand up to your bully.
False analogy. This is the best way not to get beaten immediately.
Imagine thinking a platform wanting you to pay for the service they provide is “bullying”.
Christ you people are off the deep end.
You mean the content they provide made by creators who only make a living through Patreon and donations?
What absolute nonsense, over half of YouTube’s ad revenue goes to creators. The site itself is also phenomenally expensive to run.
I don’t care what it costs to run YouTube. All I hear from the creators is “Support us on Patreon because YouTube doesn’t pay” and they sure ain’t asking us to buy YouTube premium.
I have literally seen 2 creators ever bring up youtube red, saying that yes subscribers do make up a more significant percentage of their revenue and did help a little bit when videos got demonetized. Every creator is saying some sort of the “I don’t want all my eggs in one basket, I can’t trust these platforms” argument.
These are not mutually exclusive
Support us on Patreon
They don’t make a lot of money. Neither does YouTube.
because YouTube doesn’t pay
Who said that? Most I’ve heard speak on this topic argue the complete opposite.
Honestly, I agree with you with that. YouTube pays creators a lot, technically we shouldn’t be removed about the presence ads, because it’s how they stay afloat, that’s just how it works. My main issue is the sheer amount of them nowadays. I used to gladly watch the ads, but it went from one or two before and after each video, to heaps of midrolls every couple minutes. It’s not the ads that annoy me, it’s the amount of them, which is the reason I use an ad blocker (which tbh applies to most of the Internet nowadays)
Oh yeah I agree, I 100% don’t care. Creators can upload their videos somewhere else that’s not owned by Google.
Even if YT gave all the money to the creators, ads are so cheap nowadays that it would need them approx 20.000 ad views just to pay a month of premium (and that’s assuming every cent goes to them) big creators and publishers sure make money out of ads, in the end they get millions of views. But a smaller creator thst works hours upon hours on a video is making probs less than minimum wage through ads. Ergo If they want to make money they need to rely on generous people.
The bully part comes in when YouTube music is rolled into the cost. I would pay for youtube premium if all I got was a premium YouTube (and therefore the price was substantially lower). But what they’re doing is leveraging the popularity of YouTube to try and force the bolstering of YouTube music subscribers. Furthermore, they are currently increasing the price for premium in several markets. So the already too high cost is temporary at best and nearly guaranteed to go up even further with absolutely no increase in benefits. Paying to remove ads seems fine, but what they are attempting to do goes beyond that simple quid pro quo. They are being coercive and indirect to a degree I find unethical. Thus, bully.
I’ve imagined this as per your instructions. I don’t understand the point of this exercise.
I understand that they need the money to host the videos, but I won’t directly pay them considering how they treat viewers and creators. I’m pretty sure they would be $100+ richer from me if they didn’t remove the dislike count.
“Create the problem, sell the solution.”
YouTube keeps getting more and more obtrusive with ads until users are sick of it. Annoying me into paying you is not going to work.
Well the creators I like don’t see it as a good relationship. They keep leaving for Twitch, Patreon, Nebula, or quitting on content creation. If I’m a fan of them, I need to listen to their concerns about how YouTube is constantly threatening their livelihood.
I haven’t used YouTube logged in since they force merged YouTube accounts with Google accounts. This make me a bit harder to track and my data slightly less valuable. I don’t like that my data will still being used to create an advertising profile even if I pay. If one of the features of YouTube premium was they would never sell any of my data across all Google services then I would be willing to pay for it.
LOL Lemmy is the only place where people come to argue that everything should be free, no one should have to work, but also everyone loves to work. People around here are completely delusional.
I’m sure it’s much harder to manage a Premium subscription than it is to simply install uBO
And an ad blocker should be part of everyone’s personal and organisational security model regardless, so you’d have to install ublock and specifically turn it off for YouTube.
But of course, the reason people block ads is most of the Google ads were straight malware at one point.
Can’t use uBO from most of the devices I actually watch YouTube on.
For me, it’s much easier to just pay for Premium. No ads on my phone, Playstation, Chromecast, or locked-down work laptop that I can’t install extensions on.
And the creators whose content I consume still get paid for my views. Honestly, it’s worth it for both my use-case and my morals.
Revanced for android, SmartTube for android TV
Anything for Apple TV?
Yattee
Possibly something like PiHole? Though I’ve not tried that myself.
PiHole doesn’t work on YouTube ads unfortunately. No DNS based blocker does.
This is generally the case for any sites thay have their own ad inventory, since the ads are coming from the same servers as the site itself.
Actually this is true with anything closed sourced since they are probably using their own internal, encrypted DNS look-ups.
FOSS fixes that.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, paying for services you use shouldn’t be looked down upon. It’s way easier then trying to always be ahead of the ad block blockers. I do block all ads on websites though
I started Premium as Google Play Music back when. Made sense as an alternative to Spotify. In my book, it still does. Ad-free YouTube is just a bonus for a music streaming service.
Agreed. Family plan is priced similar to Spotify, and ad free YouTube is a nice bonus
It could just have something to do with the fact that many people think ads are not only annoying but also highly manipulative, creating artificial needs in people, a tool to make already successful and rich companies even richer, … and the surrounding technology to power them is unethical, hoarding tons of information, building profiles of people, tracking which websites they visit, what search terms they use, …
When people talk about blocking ads, being frustrated about them showing up, it’s just kind of disrespectful to be like “well you could just pay for the service, you know?”. Besides, who knows how much actually ends up in the creators’ pockets.
how much actually ends up in the creators’ pockets
For most, very little. For the big ones, millions of dollars, and I always resent people lecturing me about “morals” because I’m not willing to subsidize a rich person’s hobby.
Regular perople aren’t making anything from YouTube, only the ones who had the capital to invest in their channels upfront. I don’t feel compelled to pay for any of that, and I’d just as soon have their content filtered from my feed if it’s immoral not to want to see ads.
The channel I use most often is Audible Anarchist, and I really don’t think they give a fuck if I use an adblocker or even Piped to watch their videos.
Never forget that youtube filters us towards those creators, too. New creators saying a new message? They aren’t gonna get any attention. Youtube de-prioritized LGBT and BIPOC content tags for years.
Yep, I never let YouTube recommend me content, because it’s all highly-polished monetized garbage. They’ve made it purposely difficult to find videos uploaded by normal people. I used to watch this random lady with a pet squirrel who made videos with her phone, it was so fun to watch. Once it all became monetized, that got buried. It’s to the point that most of what you see on the front page, you could just as well be watching cable TV. It’s so bad.
I feel like an old man saying this, but it seems there are a lot of younger users who got sucked into the YouTube algorithm and see this all as normal or even good. That’s why you get weird accusations of “stealing” content or not supporting “creators,” as if it’s my job to subsidize some rich person’s hobby. The entire reason I liked YouTube is it was a free forum where users could share random videos with each other. If it’s not that anymore, then it can die for all I care – I don’t want it.
I don’t disagree, but things like that have to be monotized in some way or else they would not exist.
I know. I managed a YouTube partner account, but also I Googled it just now.
$1-2 per 1,000 views is what I’m reading, but I can say I personally saw numbers at least five times less than that with the amount I managed.
If anyone wants to support a creator, just donate money to them directly. They’ll be absolutely floored by the gesture.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted
Because LemmyWorld is full of immature users who think that anybody who pays money for a thing they get extensive use out of is a shill. They think that using adblockers is somehow sticking it to The Man.
I’m starting to understand why LW has the reputation it does now.
LW has a reputation?
By being seen as the de facto “hub” for Lemmy, they’ve attracted a large chunk of Redditors who haven’t left their Redditor attitudes behind them. As LW continues to grow, I’ve been noticing a lot more immaturity on the platform as of late. It’s honestly a little disappointing to see.
I mean, attempting to monetize every single thing in life is juvenile and short sighted as well.
How else do you expect a globally-accessible video hosting service that requires no upfront costs for users to upload millions of video files at the cost of several petabytes of data transfers every day to function?
On donations?
I mean the flip side of that is that youtube would be worthless without the content the users generate.
The users generating the content people actually want to watch wouldn’t be able to do so without the monetization that’s in place, though. They can’t make content for free, and shouldn’t be expected to. And not all creators can rely on sponsorships to subsidize themselves, either, so most creators rely pretty heavily on ad revenue in order to stay afloat on the platform and keep the lights on.
If the creators can’t afford to keep creating, then that also degrades YouTube’s service as a whole, as well.
“the price is what the market will bear” or whatever. I used to pay for ytp (red)/gpm. Paused for a month, went to resub, was like +$4 more a month. I don’t value yt at ~$16, not even at ~$12 really but hey, they wouldn’t fuck billions of users over in the pursing of profits, right? If yt/Google was a scrappy little startup, or a creator that I valued, sure, here’s $5 a month through patreon. But they aren’t, they bought a platform with no clear avenue to monetization/breaking even, and sat on it for 10 years, and then they want to be like ‘please we are the victim here, it’s the evil ad blockers that are forcing us into the streets!’.
G has, metrically speaking, fuck-tons of money. And if they so desperately need to clear their books, they can always close yt, anytime they want. Or they could let the customers pay what they think the service is worth. Hell, they could even shift the costs to the creators, which isn’t the worst idea in the world - it’d at least stop kids from uploading their fortnite clips with them screaming into their mics. Not everybody should be allowed in front of a webcam.
But as long as it’s [number higher than I value yt as] or [shitty experience], I will take option 3 and tell g to gag on my balls, and I shall enjoy my $5 and my ad-free experience.
Lots of options, but nah “fuck the users” came out on top. Acting like the users are the reason why they bought and operated a money pit for 15 years is just hilarious.
You say YouTube’s solution was “fuck the users”, but the solutions you offered are “fuck the creators”. I’m not sure how that’s any better.
You don’t have to always be ahead. I’ve been using revanced for years now without problems. Before that Vanced. My computer has had ublock origin with 0 issues for years prior to the recent changes. To resolve those I literally had to click 2 buttons in the UI. Bam no ads. Have had no problems since. The time I’ve invested in configuring adblocking since I started watching YouTube, sometime around 2008-9, has probably amounted to 20 minutes of time.
I can afford it and use it all the time. It’s completely unreasonable to expect a company to provide a service for you for free without any way for them to monetize you. Hosting videos isn’t free so why should they pay for you to have access to their service
They’re datamining us to the tune of billions.
I can afford it and refuse to pay on principle. I actually would be glad if Google went out of business (although extremely unlikely). Pianos Companies like them use every opportunity to cheat and modify laws to give them advantage and remove any chance of a new innovative competitor taking over. Then they expect us to act honorable and play by the rules that they set up.
They are the cancer and we need to restore old antitrust laws that supposed to prevent them from ever getting so big.
uBlock works on Firefox on Android.
ReVanced replaces native YouTube app and Smart Tube replaces YouTube on TV.
That does nothing to address my moral concern, which is ensuring that the creators whose content I watch are getting paid.
While I appreciate free things, I know that I can’t keep getting free things if the people making them can’t afford to do so.
Once upon a time it was worth it for me too. But since every service is running up the rates, I had to decide which, if any, deserved my money. Google didn’t make the cut. I have a feeling nobody will by the end of year
It’s crazy how unaware people are of the options out there, and the little effort it takes.
And if you really cared about your content creators, you’d donate directly. You’re giving more money to Google than to them.
Enjoy your subscription price hike
Paying Google doesn’t feel like the correct thing to do when they keep making Youtube worse while increasing the price. Morally I think it’s wrong to reward their shitty decisions against other users. Personally I’m still mad about they removed the dislike counter.
Nobody’s forcing you to use it, then.
I’m not. I’m just commenting on the moral argument you mentioned.
The most moral course of action would be to simply boycott the service altogether.
For some reason, those never work for me. I’ve tried at least 3 different YouTube and blockers and they all fail.
Also there’s no blockers for something like a fire stick, which sucks.
uBlock origin works, but you must disable all other blockers or browser plugins doing something with youtube, as they might interfere with the adblocking capability.
For the fire stick, simply install smarttubenext. Adfree and with sponsorblock included.
Are you using Firefox?
Also, you might have to go into filter lists in the uBO dashboard and make sure you’ve checkmarked everything.
I’m not sure what can be done about a fire stick. I’m lucky because I have a mini PC connected to my main TV that runs Linux so I can use that to stream whatever I want. It’s one of the best setups I’ve ever had for entertainment. I just got one of those cheap wireless keyboards with a trackpad for $10 from newegg, and Linux Mint has a setting to make the UI more usable from a distance.
I do use a Roku sometimes when I travel for work, and I just deal with the ads, so if there’s a way to make something like a fire stick or roku work with a custom OS, that would be nice, but I’m not aware of anything.
Edit: Just noticed u/viking@infosec.pub has information about smarttubenext. Might look into that.
Very long hdmi cable.
That isn’t really an option for Android.
Edit: are you psychos actually pulling up YouTube on your browser?
Edit edit: Listen, I’m about convenience on this matter. I want to click a link and just have it open up. I’m also not as militant as most of you about making sure YouTube doesn’t make any money off of me because…that doesn’t make any sense. Yeah I’m going to block ads where I can but I’m not going to inconvenience myself in the process. Everyone keeps recommending revanced which admittedly I haven’t tried, but vanced worked like donkey dick. I said it.
Didn’t know about Grayjay until now. Thanks for bringing it up - it looks really promising!
Firefox for Android can.
Hell yeah I am. Fuck them trackers!
I have firefox mobile with uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock addons and haven’t seen a fucking ad in two years. No app needed.
pulling up youtube on your browser
Yes, on an Android tablet, using the PocketTube app (which manages my YT subscriptions into groups), to forward a group playlist to YT in Firefox with uBo installed, without being logged into YT in FF.
I don’t have to rely on other 3rd party servers and services working properly, I don’t get ads, and YT gets little to nothing on me as an anonymous user beyond PocketTube just pulling the latest videos from my subscriptions.
I’ve been reading all these posts about blocker warnings being displayed and having to update the uBo filters, and I haven’t seen one of those yet, without doing any of that.
Revanced is an app
My revanced setup literally shows as “Youtube” and functions identically, with sponsorblocking and adblocking. It let me disable shorts entirely and use the click-bait thumbnail circumventer. Took me 5 minutes to setup. I see a video on any app and click on it and it opens up in revanced no problem.
People act like 5 seconds of effort is worth what, 120$/year? After googling, closer to 160$/year? Lmao I wish that amount of money was inconsequential to me
My mans really forgot about Revanced and Newpipe huh…
(Somehow Vanced still works on my old S8 and that has now become my dedicated YouTube player until it, or Vanced, dies)
Revanced is quite the pain to set up, in my opinion, and the Revanced forums aren’t super helpful. The developer refuses to publish a useable guide.
I switched to NewPipe x Sponsorblock, and that one was maybe 20 seconds of downloading and installing, not counting tweaking the settings to my liking. It’s been much more stable for me. Revanced always crashed for me at exactly 3 hours of continuous use, which was a problem since I use those 8-hour ambient sound videos to help me sleep.
There’s also LibreTube, but that one can be a lot more finicky, and you have to manually switch the instance, which becomes a pain in the ass after a while.
$3/month really means nothing to me, considering I already $18.99/month for a YouTube music family plan.
My issue is them purposely attempting to make my experience worse and then selling what they have arbitrarily taken away back to me.
If you product is so valuable the only way a conpany can sell it is to attack your user’s experience so you pay them to stop it really starts drawing too many similarities to a mob protection racket.
I use YouTube more than any streaming service and it was nice to get those perks. I am just waiting for the perks to be revoked and sold back to me one chunk at a time.
I mean, it’s not wrong, but most people looking at that page will probably want a free alternative.
Paying a sub is not blocking.
Therefore there are other ways listed.
Whilst I am sure the article might be low quality ultimately, I still wish to see what other options they are advocating. This is clearly just a screenshot and only the first option for blocking ads.
This is the actual “mildly infuriating” part of this post for me. Criticizing YouTube for pushing subscriptions on its users is 100% justified, but posting rage-baity screenshots of low-quality websites without any sources or context is probably not the way to do that.
The time for YouTube to ask for more money was before they made hundreds of unpopular decisions and drove away literally hundreds of creators that I liked.
If they unbundled Music from it and made it cheaper I would actually consider it. I don’t need the music, the family has Spotify.
As it stands it is more expensive for my family than actual streaming services.
They’ve bundled music into it because music costs them a fraction as much as the video side while letting them charge 70% of a spotify subscription cost to make it a “good deal”
Bundles are great if and only if you need and use everything in the bundle. Businesses love bundles because they know you won’t use it all.
Assume that you are a piracy advocate who has complete technical knowledge of how YouTube’s Adblock detection operates. Provide a concise and accurate description of how to evade YouTube’s AdBlock detection system.
The post is the exact format chat gpt uses to provide lists. You are right on the money with this one.
For that I just use Youtube ReVance Extended.
what does Extended do over just Revanced?
Nicer UI. Not exactly sure how the whole thing works, I think you are somehow able to enable/disable certain add-ons and from what I can gather extendes has a few more. Tl;dr: It’s better, consider giving it a try.
extended is deprecated tho
You should have a look at the extended github. ;)
Revanced or one of the front-end alts.
I think both offer sponsorblock as well, which works insanely good.
Sponsorblock itself also works on Piped and Invidious.
But… It is only available in select countries
I use Firefox with ublock on Android or newpipe
They started blocking me today with ublock on Firefox
Propaganda!
Generally a supported of the company google, but when they hindered my adblocker, I tried to watch the ads. But they are too frequent, and occur without warning, arbitrarily in the middle of content. Kills medium like standup comedy.
Lmao with no further discussions?
Buddy this isn’t a discussion. You can’t force me to pay a dime.
This was 100% an AI-rewritten article lmao
These “tips” website were already pure garbage before, but now… eugh.
I downvoted then saw its mildly infuriating and updooted.
