It does seem like both parties go to far on either side with it, when you put it that way.

Could you give more detail on why the republicans are going to increase it? Are they doing it on purpose?

Noone?

I understand illegal immigration benefits the immigrants, thats a ridiculous point to feel the need to make. I’m asking why as a country, a state, or a community anyone would want illegal immigration. Legal immigrants are great, no problem with them.

Right now people are freaking out because Trump has doubled arrests for illegal immigrants. Okay, so why’s that bad? People bring up higher prices, and my response is that I dont want low prices if it depends on slave labor. How is the price of goods more important than how we treat other people?

If those illegal immigrants could come her legally they would, they dont prefer breaking laws. Just because they can’t make it here legally does not mean they are entitled to be here anyways. Americans wouldnt promote illegal immigration to another country, so why would they promote it tk their own?

And you lack a coherent response, unless you think name-calling is effective. Good thing all of you taught my why I was wrong.

Right, he made the great point that maybe we could pass laws to protect people we dont even know are in the country. That makes a lot of sense. Illegal immigrants are a protected class now!

I’m frustrated that everything trump does gets misrepresented to the point where people are just shouting random fears into the void. Apologies for refusing to jump to conclusions like the rest of the circle-jerkers on this platform.

I am opposed to quite a lot of what trump does but kicking people out of the country who didnt arrive legally isn’t one of them, because I simply can’t think of a reason why people who broke into the country deserve the right to stay.

I have no issue with people immigrating legally.

I’m exaggerating how? I stated that illegal immigrants are currently being deported, and then asked why that would be a bad thing. And apparently the answer is that the question is framed unfairly?

If you can’t answer the question I dont know why you keep replying.

Let me rephrase: trumps current executive orders have led to double the amount of illegal immigrants being arrested as before. Why is this bad for the country?

If you dont want to answer the question, feel free to reply but I likely won’t answer you again.

In a given moment, yes you either have rhythm or you dont. In this given moment, we have not a democracy but something else. I guess you could say I dont know what it is for sure, but I do know its not a democracy.

I suppose you could argue that people choosing to support an oligarchy is a form of democracy though, since it is majority opinion.

Ah, our ancient enemy China, who hasnt been in a war in decades, and promotes international peace whenever the topic comes up.

The abusive oppressive China, where cost of living is lower and workers rights are stronger than americans’.

But living in china means to be a slave who can’t speak freely so fuck that country, right?!

Good. America is the aggressor internationally. Losing soft power is a net benefit for mankind.

This is what the majority wants, fuck the rest of the world let’s get ours. I think most americans could care less about whether another country trusts them or not. America has always been like this though, its just continuing a long history of selfish values, where people are judged by how much money they can accumulate.

I never implied those are the only options. I only specifically said I have no issue with deporting illegal immigrants, which is what’s currently happening. Why should we permit illegal immigrants to stay in the country and/or attempt to gain legal residence?

It sound like a lot of people are upset that if we get rid of our indentured servants and slaves, then we won’t be able to afford all the useless shit we buy constantly.

I guess I’m just silly for thinking breaking laws to get into a country is a bad thing.

I love how effective Americas anti-china propaganda is that anyone can simply refer to the Uighurs to counter any pro-china statement.

Big bad china must have gone into a bunch of mosques and taken the nice Uighurs into concentration camps because china hates Muslims, or something. Surely nothing else had happened.

And what do we do in the meantime while we dont have immigration reform? Pretend we do and ignore laws?

Its like Nazi Germany taking over Austria.

You literally avoided my whole question. Why do you want illegal immigrants here? I’d think youd want them here legally rather but maybe I’m just crazy. Is it just mean to deport people? If I was in Canada illegally and they arrested me and sent me back to the US, I wouldnt think Canada was a shitty country for it.

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Those could be good ideas, although I dont like the idea of forcing out good candidates based on term limits.

I’m more concerned with fixing things like citizens united:

“In this case, the Supreme Court ruled that any laws that try to restrict the political spending of corporations and unions is a violation of the First Amendment’s right of free speech. This significantly impacted campaign finance laws.”