rt, will you ban it?

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    Just removing subsidies on corn would solve the core problem. There are lots of things corn is used for that shouldn’t be corn that also get fixed by that.

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      This is the answer. High fructose corn syrup is over-used because it’s dirt cheap to produce, and it’s only dirt cheap to produce because corn is subsidized.

      As much as I love my bourbon whiskey, I’ll accept the fact that prices will go up if corn stops being subsidized, but that’s what’s desperately needed in this country.

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    No, because just banning things rarely achieves the desired results.

    And whether it’s cane sugar or high fructose corn syrup, too much sugar in general is the problem, much more so than the subtle differences between the two.

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    No. It’s not quite harmful enough. If I banned that, I’d have to ban a lot of things if I wanted to keep a fairly consistent position.

    Cigarettes would be the first I would consider.

    But I probably wouldn’t outright ban any of it.

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    Can I ban surculose instead? Both are bad, but the distinct lack of regulation on surculose baffles me.

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    I think we just need a way to incentivize corporations to provide healthy alternatives as well (and not just HFCS, but high sugars in general, etc). Not sure of the best approach, but the bigger issue is that when every corporation is pushing cheap sellers that are addictive, its no wonder most people eat them. Like, McDonalds alone isn’t responsible, but corporations in general because their basically saying they can’t be held responsible for being successful. But they’re putting so much money into being successful and trying to be successful, that it’s difficult when you have such large entities pushing that way but then saying “it’s not our fault people are going in the direction we push”

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      Incentivizing a company to do anything besides turn a profit is impossible. You must beat them into submission so that the only choice they have is to conform with the overall public health policy. Removing subsidies on Corn would be a good idea to specifically address HFCS in everything. An even better idea would be to just socialize food production and remove the profit from it and instead prioritize healthy affordable food for the citizenry.

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        I mean, if we’re talking about impossible things, changing the world economic structure is one of them.

        You can’t socialize food production without socializing the entire economy of the world. Many countries rely on food production as their number one source of income. So you can’t just socialize one industry. Let alone getting the world to play along.

        An incentive could be “offer healthy alternatives otherwise something bad will happen.” It requires meddling with the system and ignoring the free market, but sounds like I don’t think you’d disagree with disruption in the free market.

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          One country, the US, could absolutely take it’s food off the world market and if I had the power to “ban” HFCS, I would 100% socialize US food production.

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            That’s not the way any of this works. You can’t just change a portion of the system. The US imports a ton of food. Banning something is actually a realistic ability. Ingredients have been banned before. Creati ng a system that is doomed to failure due to not thinking about it for 3 seconds is a different class of ability. We’re talking about changing the laws of a country, not breaking the laws of math and physics. I’m pro-socialism but this is an awfully thought out take. It would cause worldwide economic collapse and less to starvation around the world due to such an event.

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              TIL portions of systems cannot be changed, ergo all systems are static unless they are destroyed.

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                No, you can change parts of it, but you can’t just arbitrarily say any part can simply be replaced willy nilly. That’s just childish. Changes have impact and consequences. You’re literally ignoring cause and effect. I can see nothing is worth discussing with you though if you’re going to respond with something a child would say. So we’re done here.

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    Not sure about an all out ban but its usage should definitely be reduced. 39g of sugar in a 12oz Coke is ridiculous.

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    Not ban. No.

    However, I would tax it at exactly the same rate as the corn and farm subsidies lower its cost, to make its actual price reflect reality.

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    The downside of HFCS isn’t the syrup itself, but the fact that it is so cheap and is easily able to be added to make things taste “better” for basically no cost.

    I would end the corn subsidies in America. They make bank anyway

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      The public perception got murdered with the name… Should have called it something like Sucrose type Corn Syrup.

      When people hear High Fructose Corn Syrup, they usually stop listening at the word “High” if you’re luck, maybe Fructose, but never the full term. The term isn’t comparing it to other sources of Fructose, but just simply to regular Corn syrup, which is almost 100% glucose. HFCS just turns some of the glucose to fructose to make something equivalent to sucrose.

      Sugar is unhealthy, but it doesn’t really matter where it comes from.

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    No, people should discipline themselves to eat responsibly. If you don’t want to eat HFCS don’t buy shit that contains it.

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    No, because, it does not fix the root problem.

    Also, banning things isn’t the way to fix things.

    I would also be a hypocrite for changing to legalize pot, while also chanting to ban corn-based sugars.

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      As an American, that’s crazy to think about. It’s in almost everything in the US.

      It’s just sugar with more fearmongering, though.

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        It is just sugar, but it’s not fear mongering. The reason it is in everything is because of our agricultural policies and manufactured food always uses sugar and salt to “short-circuit” our taste-buds that evolved for survival.