This pisses me off. It also makes me want to get a burner phone for that very purpose.

But I am worried that if I go over the border with a burner phone I might get suspected of something and arrested. How likely is that?

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    Be smart and get a burner. Don’t input any data into it. Don’t add apps to it.

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      Make sure the burner has 1000s of ai generated nudes of trump, and musk in various poses and penetrating tasks. Make them work for their tyranny.

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      As per https://dailyhive.com/canada/us-canada-travel-phone even lawyers are recommending this now.

      Ackah Business Immigration Law founder and managing lawyer Evelyn Ackah told Daily Hive that Canadians should leave their electronic devices behind if possible. She also suggests travellers use a burner phone (pre-paid phone) to protect their personal data from border agents.

      As to what to say when asked about the obvious burner phone, I wonder if the following would help:

      “Yes officer, I got a brand new phone with nothing on it to take with me. I did this because I want to comply with the laws of the USA and am afraid that if my phone got hacked I may accidentally carry something illegal across the border. I left my phone with all my lifetime photos and other history behind and I look forward to being reunited with it when my trip is over and I return home.”

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        You don’t owe CBP any explanation. You are under no obligation to enter your credentials or unlock your phone.

        They do have the authority to seize your phone.

        If you must take a phone with you:

        • buy a burner
        • set it up with a burner account (or no account if possible)
        • memorize the number of your emergency contact in the states
        • prior to landing on US soil, reset the phone (make sure you write down your flight confirmation or other important travel information)
        • as you go through security, text your emergency contact on your status. If at any point you are approached by CBP, let your contact know that if they don’t hear from you in an hour, call an attorney.

        We are now in fascism times. The rule of law has no bearing on you. If you are apprehended, yell that you are being detained illegally.

        If you see someone being detained, record the event, intervene non violently if you are able to. If enough of your fellow passengers are resisting, consider additional actions.

        Under no circumstances should you comply in advance.

        Edit: CBP not ICE. But same thing applies.

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          You don’t quite know what you’re talking about.

          ICE doesn’t control the border, CBP does. ICE comes in after you’ve crossed the border if you’ve overstayed or entered illegally.

          CBP DOES have authority to take your phone without a warrant. We’ve seen this repeatedly over the last 10 years, even hitting the courts which have ruled in CBP favour.

          CBP WILL use it to deny your entry if they find something they don’t like. Just like anything else you have on you.

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            which is to say nothing about the fact that they’re under no obligation to actually let you in if you’re not a US citizen… comply or leave; it’s unfair, but that’s what it is to enter a foreign country

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              100%. Not sure where people got the idea they are entitled to enter a foreign country but most foreign countries are exactly the same, if not significantly worse.

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        Yes officer, I got a brand new phone with nothing on it to take with me. I did this because I want to comply with the laws of the USA and am afraid that if my phone got hacked I may accidentally carry something illegal across the border. I left my phone with all my lifetime photos and other history behind and I look forward to being reunited with it when my trip is over and I return home.

        Don’t say this. They will use that as justification to search you and your vehicle for suspicious behavior.

        I hate that it’s come to the point where innocent visitors have to worry about being searched or detained, but the best thing to do is simply not travel. If you get the wrong border guard, you’re screwed either way. If you have to cross the border for whatever reason, keep your head down and don’t give them a reason to waste their time on you. Keep it short and simple by saying you’re just following travel advisories.

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          I may accidentally carry something illegal across the border.
          Don’t say this. They will use that as justification to search you and your vehicle for suspicious behavior.

          Ah, you’re probably right under the current regime. Open to suggestions for better phrasing like “I did this because I want to comply with the laws of the USA and also because it was suggested by the recent travel advisory issued by Canada” , except

          the best thing to do is simply not travel.

          100%. My advice was more for these folks,

          If you have to cross the border for whatever reason

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            If I were in your shoes and they asked about the travel phone, I would keep it short, simple, and truthful: “I’m following Canada’s travel guidelines and using a separate phone.”

            I don’t want to antagonize border agents or imply their (my) country is authoritarian, nor should I voluntarily overshare minor details (which is something liars often do). If they have an issue with me following guidelines like any other ordinary citizen, they more than likely already wanted to search me and are looking for an excuse to do it. At that point, there’s nothing you can do other than know your rights.

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      I have heard they’re denying entry to people with obvious burners, better go with the AI Trump/Musk porn suggestion just to be safe