But I do not see Obama as evidence of the wrong thing

Obama would negotiate before he got to the table. It’s why the ACA started out as a Heritage Foundation proposal.

You do what you can and when you more or less call the last great democratic president a sell out you more or less sell out an entire generation just for talking points.

He was the last one who approached being good. All candidates since have been cynical “we’re second worst and you have to vote for us” candidates.

If you are saying that admin was second worst to fascism then you are telling everyone you live in hyperbole.

Obama was the last time centrists didn’t get the candidate they wanted. And unlike the progressives you hate, when centrists were faced with the prospect of not getting 100% of everything they wanted, they formed a PAC to get McCain elected.

People who noped out for “reasons” elected trump.

Have you ever considered not providing reasons? Have you considered that your voters expect things of you? That solidarity runs both ways? That touting the endorsement of dick cheney was a fucking mistake?

You got 100% of everything you wanted. Including being able to blame anyone to your left for the loss your garbage pro-genocide wing of the party worked so hard to earn. Moving to the right like your wing always does has been an abject failure in two of the past 3 elections. biden only won because he lied and pretended to want progressive policy like BBB. harris didn’t even bother lying. You’ve hit a wall. How long do you have to continue losing to fascists before you admit that moving to the right has failed? Or is fascism preferable to such an admission?