That was my first reaction too. Did you read the text of the petition? What he’s doing isn’t just politics, he’s actively working to erase Canada. There must be some level of anti-Canada behaviour (really bad phrasing, but I can’t think of anything better and you know what I mean) that warrants revocation of citizenship?
Elon Musk has engaged in activities that go against the national interest of Canada;
He has used his wealth and power to influence our elections;
He has now become a member of a foreign government that is attempting to erase Canadian sovereignty; and
The attempts of Elon Musk to attack Canadian sovereignty must be addressed.
There’s a fundamental reason why I very much dislike these kinds of things. When you’ve set the precedent that citizenships can be removed it legitimizes that same action when it is applied in the other direction.
What is considered “treason” is very much subjective - the state simply should not have the power to remove citizenship.
When you say “applied in the other direction” - I read that as granting, rather than revoking, citizenship. Which doesn’t really make sense? I assume you mean an evil government revoking citizenship of good people, rather than this proposal for a good government to revoke the citizenship of an evil person.
But surely there needs to be a way to insulate ourselves from the detrimental effects of an individual’s influence.
All of these terms are subjective, too, but there has to be a line somewhere, right? A point at which to not act would be unconscionable? If revoking citizenship is off the table, what do you think a reasonable response would be? (I’m assuming hypothetical “objective wrongdoing” rather than looking for ways to get Elon out of the spotlight.)
Perhaps. But the first and second points are allegations that would probably need to be proven in court. I’m not a jurist, but I’ve got a feeling it wouldn’t be so simple.
From what I can tell, he would have to have acquired the citizenship fraudulently, and he didn’t.
There used to be a mechanism for the citizenship of people convicted of treason, spying, and terrorism offences to be revoked, but it was repealed in 2018.
I would like to think the rule of law still applies here.
I gotta say I don’t know if it’s the same when you’re ultra wealthy, but for commoners it’s required to pledge allegiance to the king/queen to gain citizenship as well.
Oh shit. I’m not a citizen yet, only a PR. Was planning to apply as soon has I reach 3 years. I’ll struggle with that. I’m Australian, so I was born with an allegiance to the British monarch, but to actually say it - urgh.
Thank you for this sobering point. It’s easy to let your hate of someone open the gates to fascism. I mean, that’s basically what this whole thing (gestures vaguely south) is about.
The US can designate non profit aid as terrorists but Canada can’t revoke the citizenship of a political terrorist? US is playing by different rules now. Are Canadian politicians going to be as spineless as US Liberals. Doesn’t sound like a winning strategy.
Eh, I hate nazis as much as the next gal, but I’m really not sure it would be lawful to revoke someone’s citizenship for political reasons.
That was my first reaction too. Did you read the text of the petition? What he’s doing isn’t just politics, he’s actively working to erase Canada. There must be some level of anti-Canada behaviour (really bad phrasing, but I can’t think of anything better and you know what I mean) that warrants revocation of citizenship?
There’s a fundamental reason why I very much dislike these kinds of things. When you’ve set the precedent that citizenships can be removed it legitimizes that same action when it is applied in the other direction.
What is considered “treason” is very much subjective - the state simply should not have the power to remove citizenship.
When you say “applied in the other direction” - I read that as granting, rather than revoking, citizenship. Which doesn’t really make sense? I assume you mean an evil government revoking citizenship of good people, rather than this proposal for a good government to revoke the citizenship of an evil person.
Yes. In this case it’s a left wing gov:t pondering removing citizenship for a right wing individual.
As “good” and “evil” are subjective, in both cases it will be the “good” gov:t revoking the citizenship of a treasonous “evil” person.
But surely there needs to be a way to insulate ourselves from the detrimental effects of an individual’s influence.
All of these terms are subjective, too, but there has to be a line somewhere, right? A point at which to not act would be unconscionable? If revoking citizenship is off the table, what do you think a reasonable response would be? (I’m assuming hypothetical “objective wrongdoing” rather than looking for ways to get Elon out of the spotlight.)
Perhaps. But the first and second points are allegations that would probably need to be proven in court. I’m not a jurist, but I’ve got a feeling it wouldn’t be so simple.
I am not sure you need a jury to confirm the public information that he gave half a billion dollars directly to trump
From what I can tell, he would have to have acquired the citizenship fraudulently, and he didn’t.
There used to be a mechanism for the citizenship of people convicted of treason, spying, and terrorism offences to be revoked, but it was repealed in 2018.
I would like to think the rule of law still applies here.
I gotta say I don’t know if it’s the same when you’re ultra wealthy, but for commoners it’s required to pledge allegiance to the king/queen to gain citizenship as well.
Oh shit. I’m not a citizen yet, only a PR. Was planning to apply as soon has I reach 3 years. I’ll struggle with that. I’m Australian, so I was born with an allegiance to the British monarch, but to actually say it - urgh.
Yeah, I know British guy who recently became a citizen, and he said it was pretty weird.
Don’t tolerate the intolerant. It’s time to take the kid gloves off and be nasty to these people.
Thank you for this sobering point. It’s easy to let your hate of someone open the gates to fascism. I mean, that’s basically what this whole thing (gestures vaguely south) is about.
The US can designate non profit aid as terrorists but Canada can’t revoke the citizenship of a political terrorist? US is playing by different rules now. Are Canadian politicians going to be as spineless as US Liberals. Doesn’t sound like a winning strategy.