• ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Yeah, no one was poor back when there were no billionaires. There’s way more poverty in the world today compared to 100 years ago.

    EDIT: Apparently the /s is necessary for you slowpokes, lol

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        6 months ago

        I find it bizarre that you think one can be a traitor to one’s class. Please tell me, how is a class something which can even be owed allegiance?

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          6 months ago

          Billionaires want all the money, fuck everyone else. Siding with billionaires means you want to be fucked over by someone who has no care for you. So siding with them makes you a traitor. There’s no allegiance to a class it’s just something that is, I find it bizarre that you assume that you can’t comprehend this.

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            6 months ago

            Price tags are not money. The market value of assets appreciating does not remove a penny from anyone’s wallet. Likewise, those assets becoming less valuable (e.g. Bezos’s net worth dropped by over $20 billion this month) does not put money in anyone’s pocket. Billionaires objectively do not cause poverty. The correlation between poverty and the number of billionaires is literally in the opposite direction–more billionaires correlates with less overall poverty.

            It’s not “siding with billionaires” to know the facts, and contradict ideologues who seek to replace those facts with their pet narrative.

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            6 months ago

            Billionaires want all the money, fuck everyone else.

            This seems very naive to me. In my experience, everyone wants all the money, fuck everyone else. Including my fellow working class. All of them. Every single one.

            Siding with billionaires

            I see no sides. I see no difference in kind between billionaires, my boss, my co-workers, my neighbours, homeless people, members of the local labour club, you, me or anyone. We’re all human beings and we all prioritise our own wellbeing over the wellbeing of others. Cooperation in society and ruthless greed are not mutually exclusive. Humans will cooperate when it’s beneficial and also stab their fellow humans in the back, step on them and exploit them when it’s beneficial.

            you want to be fucked over by someone who has no care for you

            That’s ridiculous, nobody wants that.

            There’s no allegiance to a class it’s just something that is

            If is there is no allegiance then there can be no traitor.

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              6 months ago

              You are quite wrong. Most want enough money to be content in life. Billionaires want to sit on their dragon hoard of wealth, while shafting those on the bottom line. If you see no sides then you are very ignorant. And no difference between the homeless and billionaires. Yeah fucking right. Billionaires get to just buy companies because they can, spend shit loads on lobbying for things they want. All while homeless people are fucked in a hundred ways. Its disgusting how many anti-homeless measures are being made. Just another reason hoarding wealth fucks everyone over. Humans also rape, lie, steal, murder, etc… we work hard to jail and rehabilitate these people. So maybe we need to do it to the extremely wealth. Nobody wants to be fucked over, obviously. But that is what is happening. Again ignorance is bliss. Generations don’t exist, we just use it to generalize age groups. Classes don’t exist, yet we use them to describe wealth groups. Genders don’t exist, yet we use them to describe people. In every single case you can still be a traitor to something that groups you. I can be trans and say that all trans people (except me) are not valid, that would make me a traitor and a TERF. There are not always allegiances to ideas meant to group people. If you are not in the extremely wealthy class, then defending them is betraying what you are.

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        6 months ago

        Reality traitor.

        There is SO much less global poverty today than there was just a century ago that it’s almost unbelievable. Poverty is not only not caused by billionaires existing, but there’s positive correlation between their increasing numbers and global poverty decreasing.

        This is like continuing to argue that Internet porn causes rape to happen more, even after we can look at the stats and plainly see that the incidence of rape has plummeted as Internet porn became more ubiquitous.