Summary
Representative Sarah McBride, the first out trans congresswoman, criticized Donald Trump’s executive order defining gender as strictly male or female.
McBride points out that biologically all embryos develop as female until the SRY gene activates weeks after conception.
The order, which ties gender to reproductive cells at conception, unintentionally categorizes all humans as female from conception based on biological facts.
McBride’s remarks highlight scientific flaws in the policy.
Anyone who thinks this shit is funny is in for a rude awakening.
They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.
You don’t get out on technicalities in fascism; if the autocrat in charge wants to do the thing, he will do it. All of these things will be used as cudgels against perceived political enemies, and marginalized US citizens.
I want people to try to be less pesimistic, the point is that technicalities like this will waste time. Every one of these exectuive orders is going to be challanged in court, and while the GOP controls the higher courts, these cases will start in the lower ones. With any luck, the lower courts will stay the order until things can get resolved. Every appeal, every challange takes time to process and judges are under no obligation to resolve things quickly.
The goal currently isnt to try and overturn the order, thats just pissing into the wind. The goal is to waste their time for 2 years and hope the house flips, if it does, we can send 47 back to his golf course for the rest of his term because he wont be able to accomplish anything.
They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.
The reason why this is good news is that the more bizarrely worded the order, the easier it is to get it throw out in court, America even now runs on the WORD of the law, not the intent.
America even now runs on the WORD of the law, not the intent.
Yeah except not really. Have you paid attention to recent SCOTUS decisions? They aren’t even bothering to make cogent arguments in some cases, and hearing others that never should have standing in the first place.
Cogent arguments?
Can you clarify your question, please? Are you asking what a “cogent argument” is?
yes
Oh. Try Google.
So this means we did get the first female president! Yippee
Does this make him officially the first woman president? So progressive.
Trump: “You must identify with the gender you were at the time of conception.”
Science: “Everyone starts out as women and don’t become men until 6 weeks after conception.”
Trump: “That is exactly what I meant. Everyone who knows science must identify as a girly girl.”
Can anyone clarify how the 6wk part override the zygote being XX or XY at conception? (Automod deleted my last inquiry)
The chromosomes being set at conception seems to be the sticking point for those in favor.
Trumps EO states that sex is no longer determined by chromosomes and is now done by reproductive organs. Someone please correct me if im wrong.
I thought it was specifically at conception? So chromosomes…??
Theres two possible interpretations due to the at conception bit I think. Either he made everyone a woman, or he abolished gender all together. Either way this EO make Trump the single largest gender changer in history as he just changed the gender of either ~150 million or ~300 million people.
- The order speaks about sex, and defines gender identity as pointless fantasy. So abolishing gender identity was the intended purpose.
- It defines every human as belonging to neither of the 2 sexes. There is pretty much no other way to read it.
- It does not define anyone as female. These people just apparently either can’t read or just refuse to. Idk which one is more sad.
No, it really doesn’t. All ethical arguments aside, veterinarians/doctors/scientists/animal breeders often sex-select sperm for breeding purposes, very common as far as animals, I assume common enough in assisted human pregnancies. Anyways, bio sex is literally determined by the male input, not the female, it is quite literally decided at conception even if you can’t see it yet. (Why I know this? Farmer. You have no idea how violent and dangerous Holstein bulls are. Even before selected sex sperm was an option, dairy farmers went with artificial insemination rather than risking getting killed by one of those bastards. Most people, even farmers, have not seen an intact, full grown, Holstein bull. Jersey are the same way, but not quite as bad. For whatever reason, beef breed bulls, dangerous as they are, are much calmer than dairy breed). Ever met one of those guys with like 7 daughters? It’s quite often not a coincidence, think back to history class and medieval rulers getting divorced because their wife wouldn’t produce a male heir, and then the new wife wouldn’t either, nor the next wife, and the doctor who said something like “Maybe it’s you, your Majesty” was executed.
Huh, didn’t know they were sexing semen for artificial insemination. Do you know if they can catch intersex semen? Intersex individuals/animals do exist and have been well documented.
As far as I know, intersex is caused most often by a double fertilized egg, or that thing that happens when one twin absorbs the other in utero, chimeraism or mosaic. Something similar causes Down syndrome, an extra chromosome gets in there somehow.
that’s one meth-powered wall of text if I ever seen one lmao
No, moron, that’s actual reality.
Ok thanks for sharing 🙏
8 science deniers so far.
Huh, weird, I only count two.
I bet you throw an absolute fit at anti vaxxers, and yet here you are, thinking politics defines the reality when you want it to, same as.
I don’t think science is political. Neither are facts. The fact is that all human embryos develop as female until triggered to become male. Defining gender as immutable and at conception thusly defines every human as female. There is no shortage of conditions where genes get turned on and off, chromosomes get duplicated or damaged, and it affects what sex characteristics are developed. Defining sex at conception is entirely a political act, and without merit or basis in science or reality.
FYI, you can go back and delete your posts anytime.
“I don’t think science is political” It is very, very obvious you do, otherwise you wouldn’t “know” this much and be intentionally ignoring the fact that sex selected artificial insemination of sperm (not embryo) exists. You’re choosing wordiness and obsufacation instead of a real argument. I was plain, you should try it.
FYI, You can shut your politician ass up anytime.
…ignoring the fact that sex selected artificial insemination of sperm…
Common misconception. We say it’s sex selected, but it’s actually chromosome selected, and the criteria is chromosomes that determine sex characteristics.
Regardless, the order as written does not define sex as the presence or absence of the Y chromosome in humans. It defines it as “what type of reproductive cell (based on size of all things) a zygote would produce if unaltered at the time of conception”. At that time, without any other hormone changes, or activation/deactivation of genes affecting sex characteristics, the resulting organism would produce eggs instead of sperm.
To make a long story shorter. Intersex people exist, and infertile people exist. What sex would they be, based on this XO? As written, there are only 2 options, and neither apply to those people.
Also, this…
…fact that sex selected artificial insemination of sperm (not embryo) exists.
… doesn’t actually exist. Looks like you are using a misunderstanding of science politically.
that’s sex election, you facetious twat, and it most certainly exists
