• Johanno@feddit.org
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    10 months ago

    Which opens the debate: when becomes an embryo a person?

    Difficult question. And research on that topic would be immoral at least.

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      10 months ago

      It’s actually a pretty simple question, and has a simple, straightforward answer. The fetus does not become alive until its survival needs can be feasibly met by someone or something other than the mother. Until it is biologically capable of surviving the death of the mother, it is alive only as a part of the mother’s body.

      An infant does require considerable support. It will die if neglected. But, the support an infant requires can be provided by any caregiver. Dad, grandma, or an older sibling can feed an infant. Doctors can provide it with IV nutrition.

      Nobody but mom can “feed” an immature fetus.

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      10 months ago

      Either way, the fetus of a woman who wants an abortion is up her vagina without consent and is therefore a rapist. Deadly force is permissible in the act of removing a rapist from their victim.

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          10 months ago

          It’s not a child. A child is defined as having been born. It’s a fetus. A parasite.

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          10 months ago

          Come on. Have you seen what’s going on on college campuses right now? I’ve heard far less serious things being said with absolute sincerity.

          We’re reaching the point where victimhood is the only trait people aspire to achieve.

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        10 months ago

        I love that bait, hahah. Rape aside, woman had to take into account possibility of a child when she had sex. Same with her partner. Sorry, but that’s the biological reason sex even exists, and denying it because we found good methods of contraception does nothing because even these methods are being advertised as not 100% effective.

        So, no victims there other than the poor unborn child.

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          10 months ago

          That “rape aside” is doing a lot of heavy lifitng there and conveniently sweeps away the need to actually address anything that isn’t the “had sex, your fault” narrative you seem to be espousing here.

          Especially given that there is little to no effort being given to exemptions of any kind.

          Nobody is denying that sex is how babies are (usually) made, i mean apart from the “this book is the literal truth” christians i suppose.

          or you’re trolling, in which case, congratulations…i guess.

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            10 months ago

            I slightly do troll - in a sense of presenting fully opposite view to the one provided.

            And the"rape aside" is meant to do the heavy lifting. It’s there as a heavy notion that shit happens. Forced sex, rapid health declination, getting too drunk to think logicaly (…although from what I know, then it’s also rape, no? Or I misunderstood), or simply finding out your body can’t handle birth. These are all valid reasons for abortion.

            But by all means, consequence of sex is having a child, and people - this is my own fully subjective opinion - seem to be bewildered by this notion. By all means, people always should take into account that sex ends with children without precautions, and still may end with children with, and be responsible about it. Not call a consequence of their actions a parasite.