If people would use the lemmy cross posting functionality it would only show up once.
Indeed, unfortunately most of the mobile apps don’t implement that feature
I think ljdawson is working on it for Sync. I assume that’s why he held off on implementing posting.
That would make sense
I didn’t even realize this was a thing already. The apps need to add this ASAP, seems like a pretty vital part of making the experience smooth.
They do, but they are also developed by volunteers
if people do cross posts, will i see the post only once?
will lemmy detect that i can see the original + 3 crossposts and show me only the original?
this is more like a feature request, i don’t think we are there yet.
we could also aggregate and sync comments across cross postings, so that the post is really just one, but posted in more than one community.
Yes, this is how it works in lemmy-ui. In this following example someone posted to !technology@beehaw.org and I pressed the cross-post button and cross-posted it to !firefox@lemmy.ml:
And if you cross post it to more then one there will be just a list of them.
if people do cross posts, will i see the post only once?
will lemmy detect that i can see the original + 3 crossposts and show me only the original?
On the website, it does
Problem is on mobile apps. If it works on website, that’s good but doesn’t solve the problem of majority of users that are on mobile.
I’m using the website on mobile and it does do it there too:
Mobile website != mobile apps
Interestingly the title is “my biggest gripe with Lemmy” not “my biggest gripe with my app of choice”.
OP, like me, probably doesn’t/didn’t know that the website interface for Lemmy has a solution for this and it’s actually an app problem. So to OP it is a “Lemmy” gripe until we’re given more info. :)
The comment you were replying to was talking about mobile apps and not the mobile website.
Edit: took some rudeness out of the comment
Agreed, I said it in another comment
Man Memmy needs that ASAP…
Oh wow I didn’t know such thing existed on Lemmy
I often crosspost (with the crosspost button) my memes across multiple communities but I occasionally get annoyed comments from people who subscribe to all the shitposting subs… I guess even the official function doesn’t always work as intended?
Sort by Top 6 Hours vs Hot or Active
This was a game changer for me when I saw someone suggest it
Top 6 gang
all of the posts in the screenshot were less than 6 hours old, so that probably wouldn’t help
except that those three are probably calculated differently from each other
It would give you the top posts from the last 6 hours so they should go away.
Hot or Active give you a lot of stuff that would fall under “New”.
Edit: I just looked at the top 20 posts on my Top (6H) feed and they all have 200 points or more. All of the posts on your screen shot have less than 20.
This is top 6 hours.
Eh. Eventually one of them would win out. I posted the same link in movies@lemmy.world and moviesandtv@lemmy.film. The first one hasn’t had any comments where as the second one has more than a dozen comments. I know where I’ll post the next time.
A lot of people seem to have forgotten (or maybe just weren’t around at the time) but there were tons of duplicate communities on reddit during the first years too. Over time their mods either agreed to close one and point everyone to the other or the less active ones faded away naturally.
One problematic scenario I can envision with that approach on Lemmy however is the mods of news@lemmysite1 and news@lemmysite2 agreeing to keep the first one alive, but then after a while lemmysite1 closes for whatever reason. So we’re left with news@lemmysite2 which is a ghost town. Probably not a big deal for a news community, but for something with a lot of info on a particular topic it’s not really ideal.
Already happened for the Android community. Hopefully the new one gets bigger than the old one
The old one was revived, the admins of lemmy world don’t agree with parking community names
Do you wake up on the same snowy day, every day, with Sonny and Cher’s “I got you babe” playing on the clock radio?
Nah, but I can’t seem to get out of this retro hotel room. It’s freezing in here, and “We’ve Only Just Begun” by The Carpenters keeps playing from the clock radio even though I unplugged it.
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If the title text is the same it should just squash them, show you all the options on further inspection.
This is my preferred option. Requires no underlying change to ActivityPub or federation, just makes the end user experience more pleasant until/unless communities gain more distinct personalities that would result in fewer reposts.
Better yet, it should semi-force you to post as a crosspost which would remove the duplicate from end user feeds. Especially if there’s already a post on another community with a matching content link.
Keep in mind you can always block communities you’re not interested in to prevent them from appearing in any feed. I’ve already blocked plenty of communities to make the “All” post list digestable.
There are so many though. I’m trying to prune politics from my feed but people keep making new goddamn communities - a dozen isn’t enough, apparently - and then crossposting everything everywhere anyway.
You can also block users, which is super helpful with people that go on crossposting rampages.
Could you please share the blocked part of the JSON you get with https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim ?
That could probably help new joiners.
Why would I? The list of communities which one wants to block is very personal / individual. My preferences what I don’t want to engage with is purely mine and cannot be transferred to all other users. So any user should make their own decisions what communities they want to block, instead of blindly copying someone elses and potentially missing out on content they would enjoy.
I agree with you to an extent, but I think there should still be a default list of blocked instances that we could provide to new joiners, so that they can at least have a base to avoid the experience OP had.
Of course that would be opt-in, but at least that would ease the adoption a bit.
What is worse is that most of those duplicates come from the same poster who are not even cross posting…
Yeah, it feels so silly, especially with there being no karma
No karma, but they want to spread their ideas.
It needs to be in the mobile apps.
I’m surprised that no-one’s brought out a client that can merge communities. People properly using the cross-posting feature seems to help with this a bit.
At least if lemmy detects the same link it should view it as a cross-post automatically, even if people didn’t use the cross-post UI.
Fuck yeah! I was just thinking about this the other day. Like a singular mask for all political communities, one for pictures, etc. Almost how Gaim/Pidgin/Adium/Trillion did for the multitude of competing chat programs back in the day.
You’re not the first one, here is a open feature request from June 2020 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818
But my favourite implementation would be that I as a user should be able to create virtual communities where I can put in one, two or several communities into one and it would be shown like one community in my UI.
I haven’t thought of those clients in years. I feel old. Used all of them except Adium, and I think it was just a specific kind of Trillian? Not too sure, it’s kind of fuzzy.
This sentence is being uttered by me more and more the last couple weeks.
Guess I’ll be dead of old age by next month or so. Rip.
On one hand yes annoying but on the other I’m grateful for their effort in generating post
I’m all in favor of several communities on the same topic as long as they offer different content
Having the same link or picture shared across several communities is just detrimental to the user experience.
Also, to avoid this, maybe we should have core communities for a specific topic (for instance unions), and then they can fork if there is a need (e.g. what happened with !android@lemmy.world and !android@lemdro.id
OP, as of now, I would just suggest to block communities that are too similar.
I only have one tech community as they seemed to all be the same anyway, I’ll reassess in a few weeks if I need to select the other one.
The problem with blocking a community is if you block the one that eventually takes off, you miss out. I am just accepting it for now and assume it will sort itself out.
Another option would be to upvote one and downvote the other, to help speed the process up.
Your last point might be interesting, but imagine if someone else is doing the opposite, you guys would be evening out ha ha
I just follow them all, and get all the content. Big W
Seems like we could use federation on the community level
Yes, exactly this. Using Reddit as an anology, each Subreddit should be it’s own instance, rather than having duplicate subreddits across many instances.
I think that’s more what the devs had in mind when they decided to make Lemmy federated. Each instance would be a little more distinct in the users it would attract (ideology, hobby, etc.), and federation would be more about exploring the local neighborhoods; maybe instances would even limit or ban user-created communities.
In reality, most instances seem to be attracting similar users and making mini-reddits that can talk to each other. It’s ended up more about simple load balancing and having backup communities accessible should you get cut off from your preferred one. You can still get out and explore the nearby neighborhoods, but they have the same Starbucks and MicroCenter that yours does. This still is useful in its own way, but it comes with different set of challenges, particularly for the front-end UI’s.
The problem is people that would be willing to run and moderate a sub on reddit are not all capable or willing to host an instance for that thing.
Yeah, I mean once it became clear the the Threadiverse would be populated by tens of thousands of self-exiles from Reddit who left for a bunch of issues, relatively few of them directly related to how federation should work (i.e. people like me), it was sort of bound to happen to any general interest instance.
The Star Trek and the security instances (and even lemmygrad) are probably more how the model was envisioned. I’m not entirely sure it’s “better,” but it is better suited to the infrastructure that was in place.
A lot of this is purely teething issues related to (1) the fact federation seems difficult to understand to some people and (2) the fact it’s early and people keep thinking “Hey, wouldn’t it be great if there was a WORLD NEWS forum?” and they create it without realizing that actually a ton of other people have already created one.
It’s not like Reddit didn’t have a ton of duplicate or overlapping subs.
Maybe it should be easier to merge subs and instance admins could maybe encourage it if there’s no obvious reason why they have a sub that’s clearly a duplicate of one on another server.
We would still have multiple instances/communities with the same name and intetest.
As we dkd with Subreddit, but one usually wins out as the defacto.
That’s not really how the technology works. But a simple solution could be, both in kbin and lemmy, if the software could aggregate link posts that share the same canonical link URL and provide a summary for each community that’s linked it. Then you’d see the link once, but could see the post from each community that’s linked it rolled up underneath it.
Kind of like how some RSS readers have a feature that will detect “hot links” in your feed and surface the link with access to the feed items below it rather than having the feed items scattered about.
Yeah we need something like multireddits which have collections of communities across instances that can be subscribed to instead of the individual communities themselves. So your worldnews could be a single subscription of all the worldnews communities across lemmy.world, beehaw, etc. De-duping for extra credit!
Try to block the people who post to multiple communities. Blocking multiple communities instead has not worked well for me.
My biggest gripe right now is how often everything goes down. About 6 times out of 10 when I go to load anything on lemmy it is down, confirmed on https://lemmy-world.statuspage.io/
I had the most issues on my lemmy.world account. I’ve had less issues on my lemmy.ca account, maybe try making an account on a different instance? World has been getting attacked a lot lately.
lemmy.world got too big IMO. So I ended up switching to a different instance. If all the users were to evenly distribute themselves across many instances, and not just have everyone on like 1-3 different instances, I think that the issues with unavailability, lag, and whatnot would happen much less.
I’m actually trying to solve this issue on my own Lemmy app. It automatically switches instances when the requested one is down. Works only in the Feed right now and, of course, accounts are still instance-bound - but I will fix that soon.
After I went to my local instance of lemmy, sdf.org, I have literally zero issue
considering hopping onto a different instance because of this. Lemmy.world in particular always seems to be experiencing issues.
https://lemmon.zerobytes.monster/index
it’s not just you, the stats bear it out. LW has the worst uptime of any major instance. 92% so far this month according to their own monitoring and worse on bad days. They see a lot of load and have not scaled up enough to resolve it, nor have they restricted user signups at all to spread out new users across the lemmyverse. Seems like a very growth oriented mindset, which I don’t love to see spreading to the fediverse.
I personally wouldn’t use one the larger instances, as they’re usually going to have the most issues (more complex deployments, longer maintenance downtimes, etc)
I just block the accounts that do this. Make it much nicer to browse 👌
My biggest gripe is that 3/4th of what I write on here ends in an angry argument, usually somehow about politics (in an area of politics I don’t even GAF about!)
Seriously considering just hopping to another instance.
Listen, I see from what you said, what your worldview and values are, and I’m here to remind you that they’re wrong.
/s
