It’s extremely wasteful. Animals lose most calories they intake through energy loss. Its better to grow plants and feed them to ourselves than to breed and kill. Would you be fine breeding and killing humans? Whats the morally significant difference?
With ethics people either end up doubling down on all murder being ok except for theirself or going vegan. There isn’t any morally significant difference that is so strong it justifies hurting animals and doesn’t justify hurting humans
Lol you would rather do 15 backflips and double down than just stop hurting animals. NTT isn’t trash and criticism of it I’ve never found to hold up. Elaborate more don’t just state
It is the standard practices around the world. Factory farming in most countries accounts for over 97% of all meat and dairy. Even according to the USDA (which supports animal agriculture, so no bias) for the US, which is higher up to 99% for chickens comparatively than other countries. Australia, new zealand, europe, india, all use factory farming as the main standard. Even if factory farming isn’t common in a country like certain parts of europe, nearly all animal products that are consumed are imported from factory farms
saying it doesn’t make it so. the agriculture associations objected to the claims those are standard practices and so e of them were even already illegal.
you are projecting your ethics onto me. I take a different approach than you(clearly), so I have come to a different conclusion.
Your different approach to ethics doesn’t make the killing acceptable. It’s wrong either way.
killing animals for food is good, actually.
It’s extremely wasteful. Animals lose most calories they intake through energy loss. Its better to grow plants and feed them to ourselves than to breed and kill. Would you be fine breeding and killing humans? Whats the morally significant difference?
the difference is that they are human.
Why is that a morally significant trait? What makes a human a human?
say what you want to say. I don’t care for your Socratic interrogation.
Go vegan
i don’t see any good reason to do so.
once the animals have consumed the calories, it’s wasteful not to harvest them. killing animals for food is good.
It’s better to let them live a happy life free of exploitation than to kill them because someone wants a burger.
cows aren’t killed for burgers. they’re killed for profit.
For their product, meat. Factory farming would exist in a communist society as well if carnism is still a popular belief system
so?
Killing animals is unnecesary
most people don’t do that but the people who do would probably disagree with you.
Doesn’t make it okay or acceptable. Same with other social issues 100 years ago. Glad we know where you’d stand
your insinuation is intellectually dishonest.
With ethics people either end up doubling down on all murder being ok except for theirself or going vegan. There isn’t any morally significant difference that is so strong it justifies hurting animals and doesn’t justify hurting humans
that’s just not true. kant was fine with animal husbandry and against murder.
Kant is a joke
so you can see how people disagree about moral frameworks.
It doesn’t make unnecesary suffing ok. If my neighbor has a dog can i kick the dog?
kant explains that cruelty is bad, and even uses the example of dog kicking!
Ok, stop kicking dogs
I dont
i think you’re (clumsily) referring to the NTT argument, which falls afowl of the line-drawing fallacy
Lol you would rather do 15 backflips and double down than just stop hurting animals. NTT isn’t trash and criticism of it I’ve never found to hold up. Elaborate more don’t just state
if you care to lay out your argument I will be happy to show the flaw.
I have laid it out and you keep dodging by saying its not causal
it’s not, but I’m so glad you learned what the word means!
You were typing casual not causal lol
go look for edits
Go vegan
i don’t see any good reason to do that.
To stop hurting animals
I’m not hurting animals now.
If you pay for animal products or use them in a way in which leads to an increase in supply you do.
when you buy something you decrease the supply.
You encourage the growh of supply by showing demand.
and to think that it was you who made an accusation of mental gymnastics earlier.
Watch what you’re supporting, watchdomimion.org
that video sucks. and you should give a trigger warning when you link gore.
It’s an educational documentary about the standard practices you support.
it’s not about standard practices, and it’s not well made
It is the standard practices around the world. Factory farming in most countries accounts for over 97% of all meat and dairy. Even according to the USDA (which supports animal agriculture, so no bias) for the US, which is higher up to 99% for chickens comparatively than other countries. Australia, new zealand, europe, india, all use factory farming as the main standard. Even if factory farming isn’t common in a country like certain parts of europe, nearly all animal products that are consumed are imported from factory farms
that video doesn’t show standard practices.
Lol yes it does. You think the animals live on some fairyland?
saying it doesn’t make it so. the agriculture associations objected to the claims those are standard practices and so e of them were even already illegal.
and being vegan changes none of that.
100% false. Carnism is to blame
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL
can you point on this graph to when you became a vegan?
I’m uninvolved with farming