• TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Small problem. A person who is against genocide would not be okay with a genocide under Trump either, so why should they be okay with a genocide under Biden?

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      9 months ago

      Did you even read anything I wrote.

      The outcome of the election is going to be Trump or Biden. NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO WIN.

      So given that you have to choose the person less likely to escalate the situation, the saner one of the two.

      I’m not saying it’s good I think it’s fucking abhorrent, but there is no choice.

      To be abundantly clear about my stance on Palestine. I am out every weekend protesting in solidarity with Palestine. I am spreading awareness of the issue wherever I can and I am taking direct action against the companies that support the genocide.

      Let me ask you this. What do you think is going to happen if you don’t vote?

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        9 months ago

        If a genocide is going to occur regardless of the vote, then the vote doesn’t matter.

        Let me ask you this. What do you think is going to happen if you don’t vote?

        In regards to what? The genocide? Project 2025? Healthcare?

        If people want to vote for Joe Biden to preserve LGBT and minority rights, that’s their choice. If someone wants to not vote for Biden because he is aiding in a genocide, that’s their choice.

        It’s egotistical to think that my priorities are more important than others.

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          8 months ago

          If a genocide is going to occur regardless of the vote, then the vote doesn’t matter.

          Do you think that more people in Palestine will suffer if trump is elected?

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            8 months ago

            Hypothetically, I think there would be no difference than what is occurring now. The rhetoric from his administration would be more belligerent though. If you take the genocide out of the equation, Biden is clearly the better choice. Unfortunately, it is part of the equation.

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              8 months ago

              Ah, see that’s the assumption where you differ from most other folks in this thread.

              The base assumption made by others, backed by trump encouraging a fast victory for Israel , as well as other GOP politicians with similar calls are signs that trump would press on the accelerator hard.

              His commitment to Israel is in stark contrast to how he’s treated other longtime American allies.

              Lastly, let’s not forget his infamous Muslim travel ban.

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                8 months ago

                Trump and the other Republicans will say a lot, but they aren’t going to act any different than what Biden and Blinken are already doing with Palestine. The only difference is the symbolic language the Democrats use to assuage their voters. What are they going to do, send more arms and money faster?

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                  8 months ago

                  Trump and the other Republicans will say a lot, but they aren’t going to act any different than what Biden and Blinken are already doing with Palestine

                  Muslim travel ban, Golan heights, and Jerusalem recognition + US embassy adoption there suggests that there are real world acts that the administration would do differently to me, what do you think?

                  What are they going to do, send more arms and money faster?

                  Precisely, afaik he doesn’t give a shit about the people of Palestine, he’s more worried about Israels bad PR and wants them to end it fast.

                  EDIT: just to check, did you read the JNS article? It’s pretty bad, and he spells out exactly what he wants to do… A small excerpt is below.

                  “On day one, we’ll restore our travel ban. We had a travel ban because we didn’t want people coming into our country who really loved the idea of blowing our country up,” he said. He called the ban an “amazing success.”

                  “We didn’t have one incident in four years, because we kept bad people out of our country,” he claimed.

                  “I’ll also be implementing strong ideological screenings for all immigrants coming in,” he said. “If you hate America, if you want to abolish Israel, if you sympathize with jihadists, then we don’t want you in our country and you’re not going to be getting into our country.”

                  Trump also said he would cancel student visas of Hamas sympathizers.

                  “The college campuses are being taken over, and all of the resident aliens who joined in the pro-jihadist protests this month, nobody’s seen anything like it,” he said. “Come 2025, we will find you, and we will deport you.”

                  As president, Trump would “put every single university and college president on notice,” he said. “The American taxpayer will not subsidize the creation of terrorist sympathizers on American soil.”

                  That last bit is actual government thought policing.

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                    8 months ago

                    The, “Biden is bad, but Trump will be worse,” argument is tired. It’s not working, and may be actively making voters dislike Biden more.