• DarkGamer@kbin.social
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    If you’re going to define your movement as anti-genocidal you should really have a firm grasp on what genocide is and who is committing it:

    Article II of the Convention defines genocide as:
    … any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    • (a) Killing members of the group;
    • (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    • © Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    • (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    • (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    Hamas, what Israel has been clear they intend to destroy, is not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. However, Jews/Israel/Israelis, what Hamas has been clear they intend to destroy, are. Therefore, legally Oct 7 was an act of genocide, and Israel’s war on Hamas is not. Such a designation has nothing to do with body count.

    I support Israel because I oppose the genocidal. Binding their hands and preventing them from retaliating in self-defense only serves to support genocidal Hamas by keeping them in power.

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          10 months ago

          No, because Israel has clearly committed most acts on your neatly bulleted list and your condescending remarks make you look like an idiot demanding their opinions be facts.

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            They didn’t say they thought I was wrong, they said I was a paid shill. Nice attempt at moving the goalposts though.

            Work on your reading comprehension, that alone does not a genocide make. It requires an intent to destroy a protected group in whole or in part in addition to one or more of those items. If all it took to be defined as genocide was the latter, every war ever fought would be a genocide.

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          Killing children is bad: this is not something over which genuine disagreement could possibly arise.

          I mean, aren’t we literally against Hamas because they kill children? What is so complex about being consistent with the application of your moral rules?

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      Wow, the logic in the post is so non-existent I half expect you to make up dumb bullshit along the way

      Therefore, legally Oct 7 was an act of genocide, and Israel’s war on Hamas is not. Such a designation has nothing to do with body count.

      Exactly like claiming a single attack is genocide, but a sustained campaign of bombing homes, refugee camps, and evacuation corridors isn’t.

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        Sorry, you don’t get to redefine words and laws.

        Did you read the legal definition of genocide I posted above? The definition literally has nothing to do with body count. Call it a massacre, call it a slaughter, call it any number of terms for things you think are bad and don’t like, but calling it a genocide is inaccurate, as I have shown above. Words mean things, especially legal terms.

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          10 months ago

          Did "you* read past point #2? In your own list?

          Guessing not.

          Words mean things, especially so with legal terms.

          Apparently not with your logic.