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The United States’ poverty rate experienced its largest one-year jump on record last year, with the rate among children more than doubling from 2021’s historic low of 5.2 percent to 12.4 percent according to new numbers from the US Census Bureau out today. They’re the latest data to reflect the devastating effects following the expiration of nearly all pandemic-era relief programs. That includes the end of Medicaid rules that protected recipients from getting kicked off because of administrative errors, an end to rental assistance policies, and the restart of student loan payments.
These policies might seem like a distant memory at this point. But they’re worth recalling with the arrival of every new report. Each demonstrates what happens when politicians long hostile to caregivers, universal health care, and the welfare state, for a brief moment, acted to create powerful, federally-backed safety net programs aimed at helping everyday Americans. One of the most effective programs to emerge was the expansion of the child tax credit, which provided families monthly checks of up to $300 per child and broadened eligibility rules for qualifying families. In turn, child poverty rates plummeted; the extra income allowed caregivers to quit grueling second and third jobs; parents were able to buy their kids decent clothes and help stop taunting at school. The Census Bureau previously reported that food insecurity dropped dramatically after just the first extended payment, from 10.7 million households reporting they didn’t have enough food to 7.4 million.
But as the pandemic receded, Republicans with the help of West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who in private remarks reportedly warned that families were using the extra income to buy drugs, appeared to remember the country’s longstanding pre-pandemic hostility. Their opposition ultimately tanked President Biden’s agenda, and along with it, the brief life of the expanded child tax credit. That’s something worth remembering today as the predictable crowd is likely to cry about Democratic-engineered inflation.
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How about we tar and feather him instead of thanking him?
I mean, he loves coal so much, let’s drench him in it’s byproduct.
But what about mah civility and norms?!?!
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There’s absolutely nothing the democrats could have to prevent this. It just wasn’t possible. If they had dared to try instead of talking about the importance of a strong republican party and the importance of compromise the parliamentarian would have immediately impeached Biden.
Make sure you vote blue no matter who. They’ll definitely do something next time
the parliamentarian would have immediately impeached Biden
the parliamentarian doesn’t have the authority to do that but still
Are you sure? I’m pretty sure if they roll a 4 or greater they get to be the president, during which time they may impeach the former president and wear their clothes.
That’s the joke
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We need that emoji
Nah, the “joke” was “lol Democrats suck amirite.”
The parliamentarian doesn’t have the authority to do fucking anything its some unelected beurocrat nobody had ever heard of until liberals needed a fresh excuse to not do anything.
That’s the entire point
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Joe Mansion and Christian Cinema are just this administration’s Joe Liberalman. Aw beans, we wanted to do a good thing, but this one guy is gumming up the works! If only there was something we could do…
… like kick him off his committees. Pull his funding. Pull his endorsements. Revoke his party membership. Revoke federal contracts and close military bases in his state. Anything. Literally just change the rules! The Senate can do that!
And that’s just moral, ethical, rules-and-order-and-norms stuff they could do. There’s plenty of evil (but perfectly legal) shit the President can do. Pull Mansion or Sinema into the back of The Beast, and show them some live footage of a predator drone flying over their houses. Remember, Obama established that you can drone strike US citizens if you’re the President!
Anything. Literally just change the rules! The Senate can do that!
The Senate can do that with a simple majority of votes. But when they need Manchin and Sinema to achieve that majority and neither of them are interested in helpful changes like fixing the filibuster, no. No they can’t do that.
joe budden is in charge of the guns
But Democrats aren’t the authoritarians in this country, whatever Republicans try to say.
Fucking lol
Is that why the cops in my very blue city in my very blue state got all these new tanks and robots since the George Floyd protests?
Well, there’s a scintillating rejoinder! Feel free to lay down some verifiable facts that prove me wrong.
Well, there’s a scintillating rejoinder! Feel free to lay down some verifiable facts that prove me wrong.
A democrat funded group put this out:
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-city-defund-police-problem
The spoiler political group? Buahahahahahahaha! Good job!
Also, goodbye.
so you’re saying they can’t get anything done, because they follow special, unwritten rules against getting things done. because getting a good thing done is bad.
another ringing endorsement to vote for the Democrats.
No. I’m saying that they can’t get things done until we do our part. We have to give them a majority that can make people like Manchin irrelevant. It’s our fault that things are like this, not theirs. Operating within the rules and not pursuing their lust for power is just one of the reasons we ought to be helping them attain that majority.
There’s plenty of blame to go around. The current political climate and the restrictions they’re operating under is not something that can reasonably be blamed on the White House or the current Senate Democrats.
Right, it’s my fault the planet is dying because I personally failed to recycle my .0000000001% of plastic waste that I didn’t ask to have produced
Everything would be fine if people like me just didn’t litter, no more pacific garbage patch!
Those starving children in Africa are only hungry because I’m neglecting my personal responsibility to donate to charities!
This historical moment didn’t arise from nowhere. It’s basically a straight fucking line for the last 90 years, the process is this way on purpose, the democrats are this way on purpose
This is the goal, not an accident
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If we gave them a 52 seat majority, the two most conservative Democrats in the Senate would suddenly become Manchin/Sinemas.
Anyway, its not up to us to .serve the party with our votes. There is no ~doing our part~. Its up to them to earn it by being a useful party.
That’s just not true. The first part that is.
Operating within the rules and not pursuing their lust for power is just one of the reasons we ought to be helping them attain that majority
So you’re saying we should support the democrats because when they get into power they won’t try to get any the good things they want done done unlike the republicans who will happily stoop however low they can to get all the bad things they want done
Are you seriously going to ignore the good legislation Democrats have passed in the last twenty years and say shit like that?
Go away.
Operating within the rules and not pursuing their lust for power is just one of the reasons we ought to be helping them attain that majority.
Why would I miss a day of work to vote for someone who is going to handicap themselves instead of using the tools at their disposal?
If dems kicked Mansion and Sinema off all committees, cut all discretionary funds flowing into the state, and Biden’s AG indicted Manchin/his family for corruption and Sinema for campaign finance violations, then I could believe they genuinely wanted to pass the policies these people are blocking.
Instead the dem’s actions are no different than if they opposed these policies.
They’re authoritarians whenever a minority asks them to stop killing them but when it comes to opposing fascism that’s when they slap the handcuffs on themselves and insist them doing nothing is the morally superior choice.
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The worst is that people (in this very thread) are blaming the Democratic party. I’m sure most of them are posting in bad faith, but I know there are people who think this way. There’s an entire party actively working to undermine our democracy, but it’s those “shitty Democrats” that suck for making this happen.
I think the fundamental disconnect here is that there is one political party dedicated to destroying the government and installing themselves as permanent oligarchs, and one party who doesn’t agree with them but at the same time treats the other party with congeniality and does little to oppose them. People want a party willing to fight the fascists, but democrats will fight tooth and nail to not do that, harder than they are willing to fight the republicans.
Revoke federal contracts and close military bases in his state.
These things hurt working class people, and are transparent retribution. They would hurt support for a democrat that decided to do it.
As if the feckless democrats aren’t already hurting the working class lmao
I for one love when my nationwide rail strikes are crushed between daddy bidens big honking hairy legs
So the status quo is good for you? Better than trying to use leverage to force an old piece of shit to do something good for people?
edit: Actually having a spine would help support for dems in my opinion. But we’ll never know if I’m right because the dems will never try that.
Unless there’s a contingent of people who would actually support the dems if they adopted the strategy of “literally doing anything at all to oppose fascism”
Oh no, we don’t want it to look like we’re retaliating against fascists
Operating and maintaining the Death Star created hundreds of thousands of jobs for hard-working Imperial citizens.
Absolutely how the rest of the world thinks about the US military in general, this is great
oh no nert the jerbs
(Fun fact: jobs are NEVER an excuse for bad policy or for dodging consequences)
it’s strange how ‘doubling child poverty’ is never on those big lists that redditors post whenever someone asks what joe biden’s done
It’s strange how conservatives never remember breaking government systems when they complain that they don’t work.
Read the article you blithering idiot. He is just another Conservative who screwed you over.
Republicans tank a thing.
Unironically this guy “Biden did it!”
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Because of it’s truth?
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If Joe Biden can be given credit for the actions of legislators, surely he must also take the blame. Biden’s total inability to enforce any kind of party discipline is on him and the rest of the Democratic leadership.
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Withdraw any party support from them, kick them from the party, and fund their opposition. The Democratic party can absolutely do this when they need to try and stamp out anyone to the left of the blue dogs.
West Virginia is extremely conservative and risking a seat can be quite dangerous when you are trying to govern against literal fascists
Before Shelley Capito got elected in 2015, the last time West Virginia had a republican senator was during the eisenhower administration. And if Manchin votes as a republican anyway why does it matter? Like he’s straight up come out and said he won’t vote for a Joe Biden pick for the supreme court.
what the hell is the point of holding a seat if the guy holding it does whatever he wants.
West Virginia has gotten more and more conservative over time. It used to be more of a blue state. In 2020, Trump got double the votes that Biden did. Manchin is going to struggle to hold the seat if he runs again, let alone some left wing upstart without name recognition who is poorly matched to the state’s politics.
By not conrinuing to support and fund them.
By doing literally anything.
But anytime anybody says that we get a lecture on how dems have to keep supporting him otherwise he’d do the exact same things as a republican.
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Why are Democrats giving money to “Democrats” who won’t support their agenda? Why did the DNC support Manchin and Sinema financially, but actually give money to Republicans over Progressive Democrats? You can’t be against Fascists, but still financially support them over Social Democrats…An unemotional look at the DNC’s behaviour shows that even if you got 70 Senators, the things we want would not get done. The Democrats are closer to the Republicans than any Socialist/ Communist/Anarchist in here…
Lmao
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Did Biden fight tooth and nail to push through his agenda? Nope.
So it’s completely reasonable to say that Biden allowed childhood poverty to double under his watch.
Senators need 60 votes to do just about anything in the Senate but change the rules. That takes only 51 votes.
What can we do Jack, if we had to change the rules of the senate to allow majority votes then we might be able to do something
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make those 2 people vote the way you want?
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Easy. Threaten them. Remove them from committees. Cut their funding from DNC. Many many things could have been done.
You would learn more if instead of asking “what could they have done” but instead asking “why didn’t they do anything”.
They didn’t do anything.
you can tell how little attention Democratic Party apologists like this pay attention to the Democrats, because they never seem to see any of the absolutely dirty tricks they pull against popular progressives to enforce discipline, that are somehow never ever deployed against these sineating right-wing assholes like Sinema and Manchin.
like a proper fool who has no idea of what is going on and yet is dead convinced of his own…let’s call it “reasons”
In order to hit the rule of three you included “you still have your opinion even after I called someone else stupid” for your reasons why someone’s comment was stupid.
The Biden administration has overseen the sharpest rise in child poverty in America in decades. It’s the responsibility of the governing party to figure out how to get results, not how to take a feels-good position.
…?
The article is about Joe Manchin. It argues nothing about Joe Biden.
I just continued an exhausting comment chain from a “vote blue no matter who” Bidenite liberal who had nothing else to argue but “harm reduction.”
WHERE IS IT BEING REDUCED?
WHERE?
Bottom goose is massive
It’s getting closer you better run
What about John Cornyn, Kevin Cramer, Deb Fischer, Cindy Hyde-Smith, James Lankford, Jim Risch, Roger Wicker, and all the other Republicans?
Yes, Manchin voted with them instead of with the Democrats, but ultimately it was almost entirely Republicans who voted to end the child tax credit. I can’t see any reason why he deserves more blame than them.
We expect them to vote like assholes because they caucus with assholes. Manchin is allegedly supposed to be a Democrat and work with Democrats in Congress, but he seems to have more in common with Republicans. The only reason Democrats defend him at this point is because of their razor-thin majority in the Senate. If he switched parties or otherwise stopped caucusing with them, Republicans would take the majority and gain further control over our government. And that never ends well.
You should expect the senators from West Virginia to vote republican. West Virginia is definitely red at this point. You have a better chance of getting a Democrat to replace Susan Collins or maybe even Ted Cruz than having any other “Democrat” from West Virginia.
Yea people don’t seem to understand this. He will be replaced by someone far-right.
We get that. The complaint here is that while the far-right will fuck us over for their corporate masters, they’re generally honest about that. But Manchin’s sabotage comes from within the Democratic party. He helps the Democrats obtain technical majority in the Senate, then blocks their agenda so Republicans and trolls can say “see? Democrats are just as bad! They’re not interested in helping Americans either!”
And since the average voter isn’t following legislation and how Republicans have weaponized obstruction, they hear that and assume it must be true. All because Manchin and Sinema don’t have a problem with Republican obstruction.
You’re overthinking it. Manchin votes with Biden nearly 88% of the time. A full 20% more than the nearest Republican. The next lowest 90% is Bernie Sanders.
You’re overthinking it. Manchin votes with Biden nearly 88% of the time.
You’re ignoring that things usually only come to the floor for a vote when we think we have Manchin on board. This statistic is meaningless and you know it. Stop being dishonest on behalf of the guy who cast the deciding vote to double child poverty for you.
Call him out for ever bill he should support that he doesn’t. That’s not my point at all. My point is he’s not a Republican with a D next to his name. He’s measurably better than the best Republican. When he leaves the seat will go from 87% agreed to under 40% no matter what.
Fucking thank you. So many comments in this thread completely ignoring the entire Republican party and blaming Democrats. It’s so disingenuous.
That’s because hexbear users have decided to brigade this post, ergo, any chance of meaningful discussion is gone.
That explains it I guess… man, could you just imagine how great the internet could be if it wasn’t constantly being ruined by conservative losers?
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Why are you blaming Benedict Arnold? What about all the British?
Uh… the British were the core of the problem.
So Benedict Arnold was blameless? Because that’s the logic here.
Is anyone here calling Joe Manchin blameless?
I mean, the article’s about how Manchin once again voted to fuck over poor people, and his acolytes are yet again like “Don’t blame Manchin for doing what we wanted him to! Blame Republicans!”
He betrayed the poor and his party. He’s right to catch blame for being the deciding vote here. No matter how much his supporters want to draw attention away from how he did what they wanted him to do.
Nobody is saying he doesn’t deserve any blame. Are you people here incapable of grasping nuance? Manchin doesn’t have any fucking “acolytes”, just people who are able to understand basic math.
If we didn’t have 50 Republican senators, his one vote would not matter. They’re constantly getting a pass so people who claim to be on the left can focus on the ONE DEMOCRAT that voted with those 50 Republicans, while ignoring the fact that these votes are passing with 51 votes, not 1.
If we didn’t have 50 Republican senators, his one vote would not matter.
But we do. So it does. Manchin was the deciding vote.
As long as Republicans + centrist Democrats > 50, you’ll always have just enough votes to fuck over the poor.
Thank you, Joseph Munchkin. Check’s in the mail!“You’re an idiot if you think Democrats can do anything.” - Democrats, trying to win us over
nothing will fundamentally change 
EXCEPT FOR THE AMOUNT OF KIDS I FUCKIN STARVE, JACKBoth here and in Afghanistan. Never thought I’d live to see a famine that actually was engineered by a guy named Joe, but here we are.
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Fun fact: when someone says “benefits will be used on drugs!”, that person is not a Democrat; that person is a fascist who “others” people for his own selfish gain.
Joe Manchin is literally a member of the Democratic Party, won the Democratic Primary for his seat with the majority of Democratic Party Primary voters voting for him.
Your shit-ass party owns this monster.
So just a little tip: people on the left don’t blindly worship the politicians and party they vote for. So comments like this don’t really hit like you think they do.
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There is no one type of “people on left” or “people on the right”. I’ve met many people on the left that blindly worship the DNC and their entire agenda. Plenty of them. Just listen to NPR if you want to hear the latest programming that they will be parroting.
I have never met a leftist or progressive that blindly worships the DNC. In fact, criticizing the party is almost a defining factor at this point. The Democrats are a centrist party, the people you have apparently met (uh huh sure) that are blindly worshiping the DNC are not “people on the left”. They are centrists.
I’d continue talking to you but your snide “uh huh sure” directly implies you don’t believe me and are not discussing in good faith so you suck it if you don’t trust my words. Why would I waste my time on Lemmy making up shit like that? I’m not some 16yo edgelord on 4chan. I’m almost 50 in west Los Angeles and know many people that are hard left on any political topics, do social work, help homeless people and immigrants, support any social programs you could think of. But they aren’t highly political and don’t make their identity about politics, so they are easily fooled by DNC propaganda.
Lol what? What about my comments are bad faith?
But they aren’t highly political and don’t make their identity about politics
Right… that’s literally exactly what I originally said. That people on the left don’t worship the party they vote for.
And lol @ “DNC propaganda”. The Democratic party has the worst messaging ever. To suggest they have some kind of coordinated propaganda is laughable.
I suggest you educate yourself. Look into David Brock. They have think tanks, political action committees, and lobbyists working full time to shape their messaging. They have direct representation at CNN, MSNBC, and NPR to amplify their talking points.
All major political parties are is propaganda machines. To claim they don’t have coordinated messaging is like saying that lions don’t hunt. It’s absurd in the extreme. “laughable”. Ooookkkk.
Look into Correct the Record, or Hamilton 68. Get your head out of your ass.
Yeah I dont think you understood the point.
You said Manchin wasn’t a Democrat even though he is. What point did I miss?
Nominal Democrat vs philosophical
I keep forgetting how shallow the genpub is with nuance and reading comprehension
Theres no such thing as a “philosophical” Democrat. They’re just a bourgeois capitalist party doing the bidding of their bourgeois capitalist masters.
I agree. Still not the same as a conservative Republican.
this is a bit account, right? two cows, "genpub ", it’s all too much
What is a “bit account”?
And I love the Two Cows analogies
Bad bit lol. No warm blooded human being has ever “loved the Two Cows analogies” Only a fed would come up with that
What exactly is the Democrat philosophy LOL. They have no consistency. They are just the opposite stance of the republicans on any particular issue (except for sucking off their corporate sponsors), so they will left or right wing on different subjects. For instance they used to be the party of free speech, which is absolutely a leftist stance, but since the right wing has latched onto it, now the Democrats are no longer in support.
I am not a Democrat apologist, but Manchin consistently acts like a conservative Republican so there fire not a Democrat and I dont give a fuck what party is next to his name.
And free soeech rights DO NOT extend to genocidal Nazis and white supremacist shitbags. Those fuckers broke the social contract and as a result they get no rights. This has nothing to do with Democrats. The right wing DO NOT believe in free speech; they only believe in amplified fascist speech. They have openly censored the speech if others.
If you disagree with any if this, that’s fine…but you would be a liar.
You sound like a reactionary and you haven’t been paying attention. The free speech issues have spread WELL beyond the small population of Nazis and white supremacists, but go on with your straw man… I’ve seen videos of right wing journalists of asian ethnicity being attacked due to being a “Nazi”. Everyone you don’t like is a crypto Nazi, which is why your attitude is the fascist one. Unless they claim to be a Nazi, doing salutes and wearing swastikas, then they aren’t a fucking nazi. That’s why Germany has very specific laws about this.
This post was brigated by users from hexbear. It’s probably the lowest sum total IQ group I’ve ever seen online…
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Your shit-ass party owns this monster.
Your shit-ass party owns the other 50 monsters. so i’ll take the hit for this one.
Everyone on the entire internet is part of one of the two major right wing parties in the USA
every single fucking time with these libs
i’m left wing as they come mate I just recognize that 50 > 1. if we want to dunk of the democratic party there are better people to dunk on that are more representative of the liberal failings as a group.
every single fucking time with my fellow left wing morons. trying to dunk on the democrats by using manchin of all people. lol
The person you’re talking to is a communist who hates the republican party even more than she hates the democrats
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a pretty dumb one at that if they don’t recognize that manchin isnt the problem with the democratic party. you want to dunk on the liberals fine, I’m right there with you I’m about as left wing as they come but manchin isn’t the person you hold up and say ‘THIS IS WHY LIBERALS ARE BAD’ schumer or someone that actually represents the group holistically.
the argument is that Manchin is the designated “vote no guy,” blocking legislation the corporate donors oppose while allowing the rest of the democrats to say “gee I’d like to help my constituents but I can’t.” People point out the apparent lack of serious pushback or pressure on Manchin from the rest of the democrats.
How embarrassing.
As someone with no emotional connection to these politicians, “okay”.
Putin kills kids 🤷♂️
Why can’t that kind of person be a democrat? It sounds like exactly the thing a right-wing liberal would say.
Liberals aren’t that different from conservatives. When someone on their team does something that doesn’t exactly align with all their beliefs, all of a sudden the bad guy isn’t on their team. Vote people, not parties.
He is, quite literally, a Democrat. The fact that he is a Democrat sort of draws the line for where the “center” in the US is.
I wonder how many people are going to tell me that he is quite literally a Democrat before this thread has died? I’ll bet every one of them thinks they’re the first to do so, and thinks they won the debate when they do.
Death to america
Such an intelligent take
hating a country for starving its own children isn’t exactly a hard take to arrive at
Someday you’re going to get tired of the smell of your own anus and pull your head out of there
some day you will realize countries 10x poorer than the USA manage to feed everyone without issue
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more like uber loser! lmao!
Wow you’re really owning me left and right
thanks chief
You can thank all these dumbfuck democrats. they’ll get whatever scapegoat they need to NOT do something good, and then try to guilt you into voting for them again next time around. and the children will still go hungry. jesus fucking christ
God the democrats suck so fucking much
Yeah blame the Democratic party because one shitty Democrat, and ignore the 50 Republican senators that are actually doing all this shit. Totally makes sense.
I’m learning real fast that “this is Lemmy” everyone hates liberals/democrats and fake hating Republicans, but never call them out directly. They just love to hate Democrats and hide behind “both sides” bullshit. They have at best a tepid understanding of how our government functions.
It’s actually more futile to argue with them than it was to argue with maga morons on reddit…
Another user mentioned that we’re being brigaded by Hexbear users. Which would explain all the poorly written, ignorant comments I’ve been seeing here.
They write like 6th graders.
The Democrats enable this. They know exactly what they are doing, and have the same corporate sponsors as the Republicans. They spent literally billions of dollars to railroad Sanders’ agenda, but let Manchin and Sinema run amok. They do that because Manchin and Sinema are the levers by which they can either decide to make something policy or use as an excuse why they couldn’t adopt some policy, since somehow the two parties are always split 50/50 in some magical way that coincidentally benefits their corporate rulers.
The Democrats work with the Republicans to enact the corporatist agenda.
The two parties are not always split 50/50. What are you like 12 years old?
And what you’re talking about is the Overton Window. Blaming Democrats for the GOP’s perversion of our Democracy is the height of victim blaming.
The DNC as victims, that’s rich! Hahahahah
The only victim blaming in this thread is the blaming of leftwingers for not voting blue.
where are my stimulus checks?? the democratic party owes me money
where is my healthcare?
where is my loan cancelation?
why are billions being sent to ukraine?
why are the kids still in cages on the southern border?
why did you say covid is over?
Thank you for your trolling. Goodbye.
who opened the cages? Obama
who was president during Roe-Wade restriction? Biden
troll = someone who is left of me and correctly realizes the futility of electoralism.
Go cry to the others in your liberal echochamber
Bexbear: helthcare pls
Lemmy:
oh fuck they want us to become republicans
>thanks for trolling, goodbyeAh yes, silence a genuine grievance with “oh you’re trolling, shut up”
That’s so childish and dismissive it feels like a
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